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Further ftc action[edit]

See http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/01/dish_network_telemarketing_violations_do_not_call_list_ftc.html 1Veertje (talk) 06:43, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Content removal request[edit]

Hello, my name is Caroline. As an employee of DISH, I am here to suggest improvements and updates to this article and others related to the company. I'll avoid editing the articles directly and will disclose my conflict of interest openly when submitting requests for editors to review. I recently submitted a request to remove WP:UNSOURCED text from the main DISH page here. User:Spintendo was very helpful. I'd like to submit a request to remove some unsourced text here as well.

  • OLN section: In October 2005, OLN (later Versus, now NBC Sports Network) became the new cable home for the NHL. Comcast, owners of OLN at the time, was demanding a pay raise from Dish. Dish refused, and pulled the network on October 21, 2005, sparking a six-month carriage dispute, which finally ended on April 24, 2006, the same day OLN had announced that it was going to relaunch as Versus in September of that year.

I propose removing this text for two reasons. WP:UNSOURCED says "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." Additionally, this text is not about criticism of Dish Network, or a controversy. Carriage disputes are disagreements between two companies; the text describes the course of a business negotiation.

Thanks! CK-DISH (talk) 17:31, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CK-DISH: Removed. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:05, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal request[edit]

Hello again. Based on the successful removal of similar unsourced content above and on the Dish Network page, I'd like to submit another request to remove the unsourced "Distant network channels" section.

  • "Distant network channels" section: Dish Network lost a court case in October 2006 and was forced to remove all out-of-market distant network channels (ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and PBS). These channels were still able to be received via All American Direct's Distant Network Package, however, All American Direct ceased operations on February 25, 2014.

Again, I propose removing this text for two reasons. WP:UNSOURCED says "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." Additionally, this text is not about criticism of Dish Network, or a controversy.

@Victor Schmidt: Thanks for your help above. Would you be willing to remove this unsourced text as well?

Thanks! CK-DISH (talk) 21:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Done The material is not sourced, however I do believe this would fall under 'criticism' of Dish Network. If an editor can provide reliable citation, this may be added back in and can be discussed for removal at a later time. But for now, it has been removed. WallabyWombat ❯❯❯ Let's Talk! 10:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal request: MSG and Inspiration Network[edit]

Hello again, and special thanks to User:WallabyWombat for helping most recently. Based on the successful removal of similar unsourced content above and on the Dish Network page, I'd like to submit another request to remove the unsourced "MSG Network dispute" and "Inspiration Network (INSP)" sections.

  • "MSG Network dispute" section: On October 1, 2010, Dish Network subscribers lost the MSG and MSG Plus regional sports networks due to a contract dispute with Madison Square Garden, Inc. MSG called on Dish Network to resume negotiations and reconsider its proposals but there was still no agreement as of September 15, 2013. MSG is linking carriage of these networks to their sister network Fuse, which was replaced with Palladia in July 2010. However, in October 2012, Dish brought back Fuse, along with the AMC networks, so customers can enjoy both Fuse and Palladia. However, as of April 2017, Dish has not restored either MSG Network nor MSG Plus.
  • "Inspiration Network (INSP)" section: On August 9, 2011, Dish Network pulled The Inspiration Network from its channel lineup, asking $10 million to continue broadcasting this channel. INSP returned to Dish Network's lineup on August 31, 2011."

Again, I propose removing this text because WP:UNSOURCED says "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution."

@WallabyWombat and Victor Schmidt: Thanks for your help above. Would one of you be willing to remove this unsourced text as well? Thanks! CK-DISH (talk) 17:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for mentioning this problem. I have added a RS to the first criticism you mentioned, and deleted the second as I could not find a source on the matter. Zoozaz1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Already done: It seems as though these edits are already included in the article at Criticism of Dish Network#Programming disagreements. Also you are under no obligation to change the color of your request to neon red – its a bit abrasive on the eyes. Donna Spencertalk-to-me⛅ 04:32, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Zoozaz1 and DonSpencer1: Thank you both for reviewing this request. However, the citation added to the MSG Network Dispute section does not mention DISH Network. Are you able to revisit and reconsider? CK-DISH (talk) 15:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I added a source specifically mentioning Dish Network in the dispute Zoozaz1 (User talk:Zoozaz1 15:58, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Series of COI removal requests.[edit]

Something strange seems to be going on here. Why do we have a series of COI requests for removal? Do we need to get protection on this page to stop editors repeatedly adding unsourced information? Is content being removed as the sources are redacted from somewhere else? --Willthewanderer (talk) 09:17, 12 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Willthewanderer: Hello. I'm not sure when all the text was added, but I noticed this page and the main company page had a lot of unsourced content, outdated information, and unnecessary detail. I'm working to identify this problematic content to editors on behalf of DISH. I'm open to what editors think best for keeping the page updated in the long term. Thanks, CK-DISH (talk) 15:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal request: Rockfleet Broadcasting and Heritage Broadcasting Group of Michigan[edit]

Hello again! Based on the successful removal of similar unsourced content above and on the Dish Network page, I'd like to submit another request to remove the unsourced "Rockfleet Broadcasting" and "Heritage Broadcasting Group of Michigan" sections.

  • "Rockfleet Broadcasting" section: They reached a deal on October 16, 2013 after a temporary extension was announced late in the day on October 15, 2013 with Rockfleet Broadcasting owners of WVII-TV (ABC) and WFVX (Fox primary affiliate and MyNetwork TV secondary affiliate) both located in Bangor, Maine and the owners WJFW-TV (NBC) located in Wausau/Rhinelander Wisconsin.
  • "Heritage Broadcasting Group of Michigan" section: However, the same 2 channels were again pulled from the DISH Network lineup on May 28, 2015, due to another retransmission consent dispute. The channels were again restored to the DISH Network lineup on September 1, after over 3 months of being off the DISH lineup."

I propose removing this text because WP:UNSOURCED says "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." Also, these are business disagreements, not criticisms or controversies.

@WallabyWombat, Victor Schmidt, and KylieInTheSkylie: Since you've helped before, would one of you be willing to remove this unsourced text as well?

Thanks! CK-DISH (talk) 17:01, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CK-DISH: hello there! I have removed the rockfleet broadcasting section but i have not removed the Heritage Broadcasting group of Michigan because it had sources. I am sorry for the delay to respond. many thanks Trains2050 (talk) 18:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal request: GMI Ratings[edit]

Hello again! @Trains2050: Thanks for your help above. I had requested removal of just the unsourced content within the Heritage Broadcasting section but recognize volunteers have the final say here so I'll move on. I'd like to submit another request to remove the extended quote by Lev Janashvili of GMI Ratings in the "Related party transactions" section:

  • "These transactions were criticized by analysts. Lev Janashvili, managing director at GMI Ratings, which tracks governance, accounting and other risks in publicly traded companies, said, "These are things to be concerned about because they raise reasonable questions about conflicts of interest and the overall integrity of governance at the company." Janashvili also said, "The investment in Yottabytes Ventures LLC is a classic example of (a related party transaction) that warrants a closer scrutiny of the company's governance practices, especially because this transaction is part of a broader pattern of behaviors that run counter to the interests of shareholders. DISH is a 'controlled company' whose majority shareholder can insulate himself from the opinions of other investors."

This is the opinion of a non-notable individual speaking on behalf of a non-notable company. Thanks! CK-DISH (talk) 22:12, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. There are two critics named in the Denver Post article, but it doesn't look as if either one of them is individually notable, so I consolidated into a single sentence as advocates, without naming either. --GRuban (talk) 18:48, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal request: Channel number change and unsourced text[edit]

Hello again! @GRuban: Thanks for your help above. I have another request with 2 parts, both of which should be quick to review.

1. I'd like to request removal of some very detailed information I think is unnecessary (and I'm hoping others would agree). Currently, "AMC Networks"'s 3rd paragraph says, "(AMC moved from channel 130 to channel 9609 for the SD feed and 9610 for the HD feed, WE tv moved from channel 128 to channel 9608 and IFC was moved from channel 393 to channel 9607)". If editors agree this is not particularly helpful readers, can these channel change details be removed from the page?

2. Also, editors have been willing to remove lots of unsourced text I've been identifying here and on the company article, per WP:UNSOURCED, which says "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." I thought I'd point out, the following text in the "Heritage Broadcasting Group of Michigan" section is unsourced:

  • "However, the same 2 channels were again pulled from the DISH Network lineup on May 28, 2015, due to another retransmission consent dispute. The channels were again restored to the DISH Network lineup on September 1, after over 3 months of being off the DISH lineup."

Additionally, this text in the "Fox dispute" section is unsourced:

  • "And in September 26, 2019 Dish Network also had to remove Fox owned channels due to an expired retransmission consent agreement. Fox News Channel and Fox Business Network is not available to be removed. On October 6, 2019, the local Fox stations were restored on Dish. For much of the Summer of 2013, they had been in a dispute along with Time Warner Cable and DirecTV to carry the new Fox Sports 1 formerly Speed, the new Fox Sports 2 formerly Fuel TV and the new FXX channel formerly Fox Soccer. On August 14, just three days before the launch of FS1, all three providers reached an agreement to carry those Fox channels."

Thanks again! I appreciate how helpful Wikipedia editors have been updating the page with improvements on my behalf. CK-DISH (talk) 18:34, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done. 1 is done, I agree the channel number changes were trivia. The uncited sections in 2, however, I was able to find sources for most of, with minor rephrasing. --GRuban (talk) 00:33, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Removal request: Investor relations quotes[edit]

Hello again! @GRuban: Thanks for your help above! Similar to the request to remove the quote by Lev Janashvili of GMI Ratings above, I'd like to submit another request to remove the quotes by Craig Moffett and Chris Marangi in the "Investor relations" section. These are the opinions of non-notable individuals. There's also a stray "see also" link at the bottom of the page. Thanks! CK-DISH (talk) 22:06, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Accepted, the specific quotes were not necessary, copy edited, the criticisms and bloomberg article remain. PainProf (talk) 05:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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