Talk:Cordell Hull

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Noam Cohen (June 10, 2009). "Traces of Gunman's Online Life Begin to Vanish". New York Times. There were also traces of what appeared to be Mr. von Brunn's work as a Wikipedia editor, albeit a very, very occasional one. More than a year before the shootings, the editor James von Brunn made a simple change to the article about Cordell Hull, the secretary of state during the Roosevelt administration. Next to a listing of Mr. Hull's wife, Rose Frances Witz, he added the words "Orthodox Jew." (Those words were removed long before the shootings.)

Should maybe add this to the article[edit]

Learning from Woodrow Wilson’s failure to gain Congressional support for the League of Nations, the Roosevelt Administration aimed to include a wide range of administration and elected officials in its effort to establish the proposed United Nations. The State Department played a significant role in this process, and created a Special Subcommittee on International Organization in the Advisory Committee on Postwar Planning to advise Congress. The subcommittee reviewed past efforts at international cooperation, and by March 1943 had drafted a formal proposal to establish a new, more effective international organization. Secretary of State Cordell Hull took the proposal to members of Congress in an effort to build bipartisan support for the proposed postwar organization. Consultations between Congress and the Department of State continued into the summer of 1943, and by August, produced a draft United Nations Charter. Congress repeatedly passed resolutions declaring its support for the establishment of an international organization--and for United States membership in that organization. [1]

This helps clarify what was being done in preparation of the United Nations Conference on International Organization. Umeboshi 18:46, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

useful information but needs a source. Was Hull the main player or Sumner Wells? Rjensen 22:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the source was made clear. I'll include the title too "The United States and the Founding of the United Nations, August 1941 - October 1945". The article already states that he was "the underlying force and architect", so I don't see much reason to dispute that, but rather to clarify and expand upon that. I would like to hear what Sumner Welles' job was in the drafting. Umeboshi 01:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Historians give the credit to Sumner Welles: The Act of Creation: The Founding of the United Nations by Stephen C. Schlesinger - 2004 - Page 41 says FDR made Welles the key person and Welles had "a dominance over UN planning" that was "starting to embitter Hull." see [2] for text. Rjensen 03:03, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's too bad that there is no mention of this on the Welles' page. Maybe it should be updated. Also the Hull article should be updated to remove/update the phrase "underlying force and architect", if Welles was actually fulfilling that role. It's too bad that the full text of the book you mentioned is unavailable on-line. Umeboshi 13:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edits needed[edit]

Early on, there's a lot of repetitiveness. For instance, "Hull became the elected chairman of the Clay County Democratic Party at the age of 19" appears twice. Biruitorul 04:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

St Louis[edit]

I think that Hull's role in the rejection of the SS St. Louis should definitely be mentioned. Cacofonie 20:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now, there's far too much. It also tends towards what has been called the fairy tale version - e.g. it falsely states that most of the refugees were killed. I'll change that now. Most survived, even the ones that found refuge on the continent - ( many of those were even able to get into the US before Hitler invaded.) John Z (talk) 06:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bretton Woods? =[edit]

Why on earth doesn't this article mention Hull's role in the Bretton Woods conference, establishment of the Bretton Woods system, the IMF and World bank? This was arguably one of the most important things he did, at least in terms of its impact on the long-term economic prosperity across the globe? Quigonpaj 01:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Diary entry[edit]

I read in one of Howard Zinn's books (I forget which one) where he claims that Hull's diaries (which were published posthumously) contained an entry shortly before December 7, 1941 which reads something like: "We have now done everything in our power to put the Japanese in a position where they have to fire the first shot. From here on out it's a waiting game…" Does anyone have a reference to this, or any other corroborating evidence? It's *very* compelling IMO, if true. Historian932 (talk) 03:05, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

True or not, it really doesn't strike me as a particularly compelling, certainly not the imaginary smoking gun of American perfidy that Zinn likely found it to be. If there is to be a war, should not you want your enemy to actually bear the responsibility of starting it? The waiting game mentioned (if indeed Hull actually wrote it) would simply have been waiting to see how the Japanese would respond to American diplomatic and economic pressure by either backing down or risking war. The passage is really only compelling due to the distortions of hindsight; Hull was looking forward towards an uncertain future, we have the luxury of knowing, or thinking we know, what actually happened and how.172.190.21.199 (talk) 01:15, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Come on man that is a massive smoking gun if true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.3.8.253 (talk) 17:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"on the heels of the Holocaust"?[edit]

"Hull's decision sent these people back to Europe on the heels of the Nazi Holocaust"

Uh, "on the heels" of something means after, closely after, thus the line's usage here makes no sense. The Holocaust as is generally understood had not begun at this time. While it was a shame that neither Hull nor Roosevelt (nor the millions of Jews murdered, including German Jews that refused to leave their homeland even after Kristallnacht) were not able to see into the future and realize that an unprecedented, industrial scale genocide was about to occur, we should really try to avoid such ahistorical criticisms, however fashionable it has become to blame everybody but the Nazis for the Holocaust (IBM, General Motors, FDR) or, at least, everybody and the Nazis. Blame those who shot and gassed innocent men, women, and children, not those that simply lacked prescience.172.190.21.199 (talk) 01:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's true it should be included, sometimes the truth makes people look bad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.3.8.253 (talk) 17:46, 26 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Inside of Time verified- please help add citation[edit]

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