Talk:Compton's Cafeteria riot

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date?[edit]

Does anyone know when this happened, more specifically than just "August" ? DS (talk) 17:43, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have an exact date, the only date I've found relating to disturbances at Comptons was a picketing of Comptons on July 18, 1966
From:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_actions_in_the_United_States_prior_to_the_Stonewall_riots
Around 25 people picketed Compton's Cafeteria when new management began using Pinkerton agents and police to harass gay and transgender customers.
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Carter, David (2005). Stonewall: The Riots That Sparked the Gay Revolution. Macmillan. ISBN 0-312-34269-1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul STice (talk • contribs) 09:43, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cause[edit]

I'm pro-rights for LGBT, but this article seems to be based on flimsy evidence. If I were being "raucous" in a restaurant and the management called the cops, that's hardly grounds for calling me a hero to the movement. If I through coffee in a cop's face--without sufficient provocation, why would that be considered standing up for LGBT rights? To me that's assault and battery. Is there any eyewitness testimony to what happened or is everything hearsay? Wouldn't a "riot" be considered newsworthy? Sounds more like an incident with a disrespectful customer. Derrick Chapman 19:54, 22 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derrickchapman (talk • contribs)


"--without sufficient provocation" is where you miss the context: "police officers were known to mistreat transgender people.[5] When one of these known officers"
This specifically states that the cop was known to mistreat transgender people. It follows that the cop was abusive in an anti-transgender way to the "raucous" customer, and since this cop was dispatched to this call, it's safe to assume that he was assigned to this area, so, LGBT people in the area were familiar with, and not fond of, this particular cop.
So, yes, throwing coffee in this particular cops face would be perceived as standing up for LGBT rights.
Even if it was a "random" cop, one that was not "known to mistreat transgender people", it would still be a cop vs "some transgender people" in an area frequented by transgender people. The perception that is was a "stand for rights" would probably still be the same. Paul STice (talk) 09:04, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Citation:
"A surly cop, accustomed to manhandling Compton's clientele, grabbed the arm of one of the queens. She responded unexpectedly and threw her coffee in his face."
https://docs.indymedia.org/pub/Local/CriticalMomentEditingIssue13/The1966RiotatCompton-finaledit.doc
Susan Stryker, Ph. D. is an internationally recognized community-based scholar of transgender phenomena, and co-director of Screaming Queens. Paul STice (talk) 09:23, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Newsworthiness:
In 1966 the press didn't tend to report on "uncomfortable" subjects. At the time, "drag queens" would definitely have qualified.
In fact, simply reporting on transgender people could possibly be considered obscenity, and that meant possible civil and/or criminal prosecution.
I feel fairly safe in assuming that the police and city government would have wanted to keep any riot out of the public eye as well, and considering the times, a "friendly word" to the various media outlets would probably be enough to keep this quiet.
Even the "radical" media at the time probably either didn't hear about it or were focused on "more important" issues such as the Vietnam War or Civil Rights and wouldn't have wanted to divert attention away from their primary focus.
Paul STice (talk) 09:37, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Questions/ Critiques[edit]

Hi, I just had a few questions and critiques about the article. First, it appears to me that the first link to the "Gay Lesbian Times" is broken, or that the page cited has since been removed as I am unable to access it. Also, I notice that the author has cited glbtq.com, which is another online encyclopedia. The sources for articles are probably required to have more stock in them than another online encyclopedia, which has also since been taken down, so it cannot be used for source material. Also, I agree with you in the first article that probably police officers did use crossdressing laws as a way to target trans individuals, but unless you have a source that draws a connection between those two things, you cannot make that assumption. I chose this article to critique because I have seen the Screaming Queens documentary and really enjoyed it, but I think that many alterations need to be made to this page to make it credible and more evenly reported upon. Kmwebber (talk) 21:35, 30 August 2016 (UTC)Kmwebber[reply]


I think it is in poor taste to state the following, with a quote or source, or any justification for saying "with their high heels and heavy bags"

" It was followed by drag queens and transgender women pouring into the streets, fighting back with their high heels and heavy bags." This is in poor taste. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.232.73.177 (talk) 03:12, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Date[edit]

In this line — The exact date of the riot is unknown because 1960 police records no longer exist and the riot was not covered by newspapers — “1960” should probably be 1966 or 1960s? Sajita (talk) 18:08, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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While your section about Screaming Queens is well written and definitely important to include, I don't know if it would be appropriate to include it in the "in fiction and art". While it is a form of media, it's not fictional and I don't know if it would be considered art. I'm not sure if a different section would be appropriate. Maybe we can change the section title "in fiction and art" somehow, or add another section about media coverage? Snchristensen (talk) 04:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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