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Rail Transportation

This section begins by discussing the old Union Station, a hub for long-distance passenger rail service, and then switches to a discussion of intracity rail service like lightrail and street cars. Along the way it states that Columbus is the largest city not serviced by rail service after Pheonix got a light rail. This is confusing. Are we saying that Columbus is the largest city not served by long-distance passenger rail or the largest city to not be served by a light rail? Further, we could get into a discussion of what constitutes "largest" as Cincinnati has a larger metro and urban area and also does not have a light rail. Ntyler01mil 11:47, 12, Nov 2009 (UTC)


New Pictures

It appears that a user has replaced the skyline picutres. In the interest of full disclosure it should be noted that one of them was taken by myself. However, these new pictures, while nice, are most certainly copyrighted, as they seem very familiar. With the moderator's blessing, the page should be reverted to the previous state. It's worth noting that it would be nice to have more variety in the pictures as they are all day shots from around the same location. I will take it upon myself to take some more pictures from different perspectives/time of day. Analogue Kid

Updated MSA population

Please note the updated 2005 US census estimates. The number was obtained by referencing the cited spreadsheet, and adding the populations of the counties that make up the Columbus MSA. The counties included in the MSA are (according to US census, not me): Delaware, Fairfield, Franklin, Licking, Madison, Morrow, Pickaway, and Union. Analogue Kid

Broad and High

I am thinking about adding some info about the new development on Broad and High. It includes a large multi screen electronic billboard. The billboard also has multiple video screens, a stock ticker, a news ticker, etc. Additionally, NBC 4 now broadcasts from the location. The studio includes a large window behind the anchor desk where the camera can show downtown Columbus. The program is called NBC 4 On the Square. There is also different residential and retail space at the location. What do you guys think?WackoJackO 09:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that redevelopment is notable enough for a mention. City Center isn't even mentioned in the article, and it was a pretty notable mall in its day. Additionally, the NBC4 studio isn't a full-time one as their main newscasts (5, 6, and 11) still originate from their Olentangy River Road studio. ArcAngel (talk) 18:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Either way, NBC 4 does broadcast from their. Although, they do not broadcast every show from there, they still broadcast there every day. I would think that both the City Center and the Broad and High development would be notable enough to add to the article. What does anyone else think?WackoJackO 14:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Dubious

Columbus cannot be the fourth most populous capital in the US. If Columbus is the 15th most populous city, thus ranking just below Indianapolis, and Indianapolis is the second most populous capital as stated in that article, then Columbus must be the third most populous capital in the US, not fourth. Indeed, the List of United States cities by population supports this: First state capital listed is Phoenix, at 5th largest; followed by Indianapolis (14) and Columbus (15). The fourth largest capital on this list would be Austin, the 16th largest city in the US. I haven't changed this, as it's possible that Austin is now more populous; however, if true, that means that the other rankings of Columbus may need to be corrected. -- JeffBillman (talk) 20:04, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

It would appear you are right. I'll go ahead and change this now. That was a small matter that didn't really need a dubious tag, but thanks for being cautious.--Unionhawk (talk) 17:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Scratch that. The list you referred to is based off of the 2000 census. The demographic estimates in the article are based on 2006 statistics. Should all statistics in the introduction be changed to 2000 facts?--Unionhawk (talk) 17:56, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Good point Unionhawk - it is hard to compare figures from different years. However, I can also sympathize with wanting the latest data. Since city figures are released long after MSA and CSA figures, this leads to problems. The latest common date is 2007. I will update all the figures to their 2007 values (Incidentally, the "2006" value is mislabeled. That value is from 2007). To address the original poster's concern, even with 2007 figures, Columbus is the third largest state capital. While Austin has fewer people, it is growing faster. My crude projections have Austin taking passing Columbus in 2008 or 2009. I will remove the tag now. comment added by Duffman894 (talk • contribs) 21:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Unionhawk. As for the dubious tag, I realize it didn't quite apply, but it was the best way I could think of to link to this talk section to explain the discrepancy. The fact tag might have been overlooked. -- JeffBillman (talk) 00:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that these types of claims are bit dubious. For instance, Boston, MA should really be considered the largest state Capital, as it has the largest Urban Area and CSA, and the second largest Metro Area of any state capital. Similarly, Atlanta - the Capital of Georgia - has the second largest Urban Area of any state capital, the second largest CSA, and the largest Metro Area. Also, don't forget about St. Paul Minnesota, which is part of the Minneapolis Metro Area and would place it at third in that regard. And you forgot about Denver, CO, which would place higher than Columbus. As would the Sacramento metro area and urban areas. If we go off of just urban areas, even Providence Rhode Island is bigger than Columbus. Then, we're really talking about Columbus being the 8th or 9th largest State Capital. I begin to question whether this is suitably significant to even mention.

When someone claims that Columbus is the "nth Biggest State Capital," it sounds like they are saying that it is the "nth Biggest City that is a state capital." However, cities don't stop abruptly at municipal boundaries. This is why I feel this claim is dubious. Most people will come away from reading a claim like this and think that Columbus is the "nth Biggest City that is a state capital" when in reality, all you are claiming is that Columbus has the "nth Biggest Population within its boarders of any State Capital." Municipal boundaries are often highly arbitrary and going off of simply the population within them is faulty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ntyler01mil (talk • contribs) 20:55, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Montage for Columbus

Has anyone thought about making an opening montage of Columbus like has been done for most major cities on Wikipedia? (For an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NYC_Montage_8.jpg) I'd say Columbus is a major enough city for that, with plenty of good pictures for it. Does anyone mind me seeing what I can come up with? Are there particular guidelines I should know about before giving it a shot? Thanks! Experimental Hobo Infiltration Droid (talk) 00:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Defense

Under "Defense", AF and USA units are listed, but not USN or USMC. I would like to add them if no one objects!! 173.88.38.20 (talk) 01:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

As long as they are properly sourced, I would say it wouldn't be a problem. ArcAngel (talk) 01:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Cowtown?

User Sparklewand listed "Cowtown" as a nickname for Columbus: Cowtown (used belittling). Living in C-Bus all my life, I've heard it called a cowtown, but there is no definitive reference. In my opinion Columbus does not meet any of the definitions on Cowtown:

Cowtown is generally thought of as a smaller town, another word for a "hicktown". It also sometimes refers to towns that participated in the beef industry in the late 1800s and that had many stockyards, slaughterhouses and related structures, as well as a frequent main destination of major cattle-drives.

The Webster's New Millennium Dictionary of English defines a cowtown as "a small, isolated, and rather unsophisticated town".

Rwalker (talk) 17:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Princeton University defines cow town as "a small town in a cattle-raising area of western North America." You have to hand it to the individual insistent on making "cow town" appear in the nickname--obviously proud of themself.

Wiki Historian N OH (talk) 00:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, no need for Cowtown to be included. The FA Detroit page doesn't list "Murder City" as a nickname, for example.--Analogue Kid (talk) 18:55, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Are you sure? "Cowtown" (not, "a cowtown") is a common nickname for Columbus, according to several people I have known who have lived there for decades. A webster`s def. of the word is irrelevant anyway. The state capital of Calif. is also called "cowtown" by many. I am surprised that this is not listed as a nickame of C-bus. Jack B108 (talk) 05:23, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Unless you are WP editor that (1) has actually lived in Columbus in the last five years and (2) willing to do some time doing research before undoing others` careful edits, please leave the nickname thing here alone, because you are likely to be flat wrong. A recent magazine in Columbus had the very name described as here today as "nonsense", the term "C-bus". (http://www.columbusunderground.com/c-bus-magazine-is-ceasing-publication). An Ohio clothing manufacturer, as mentioned in the Columbus Dispatch article "T`s with tude" (10.2.2008), sold 5000 shirts with "C-bus" on them; these were even sold at Port Columbus. C-bus is a real nickname of Columbus, Ohio, in current use, by real people. And this article has plenty of refs already, not to mention that it is silly to use a ref to restate common knowledge. Jack B108 (talk) 01:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
This discussion leads me to ask, what are the guidelines to add a nickname to a city? There could be some kind of popular usage threshold, but the ability to cite reliable sources seems difficult. For instance, having a local magazine with a certain name doesn't, in itself, create or validate a nickname. If it did, one could argue 614 Magazine would validate using The 614 as a nickname for Columbus. However, selling "C-Bus" shirts at the airport gives that nickname more validity. (On a side-note, I wasn't able to find the Dispatch article about the shirts. Do you have a link?) Rwalker (talk) 14:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for asking, yes: "T's with `tude", Oct. 2, 2008 Columbus Dispatch. I added refs to WP article "Cowtown" that look like this: (1) "Article quoting an owner of an art gallery in Columbus: "It's cool because people refer to it (cowtown) as a pejorative term, but if you live in Columbus you know it is much more cosmopolitan." Jeff Link. "Cowtown Art: More Cosmopolitan Than Its Name", Short North Gazette (August 2003). Retrieved 03-22-2010. (2) The U.S. Library of Congress has archives of a newspaper published in Columbus from 1972-1976 called the Columbus freepress & cowtown times. The Library of Congress, National Endowment for the Humanities: "Chronicling America, About This Newspaper". Retrieved 03-23-2010." Jack B108 (talk) 14:40, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

There's still an unanswered question about what threshold is required for declaring something a "nickname" in the infobox. It's a very common feature of recent American slang to throw out trendy initialisms for things: A-Rod, K-Fed, C-Bus... I think we need more than just finding some documented usage of it to bother mentioning what could otherwise be just a flash in the pan permutation of that linguistic practice. By contrast, The Discovery City is "official" and longstanding, in that it has been used by the city for decades for PR/tourism promotion. Arch City is also historical, though comparably obscure. I had always heard Cowtown while growing up in Columbus, but even that seems like a rather generic term to disparage a community as backward and provincial (particularly where it's not hard to find literal cows there). So what's the standard here? postdlf (talk) 15:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Without consensus, I'd say treat nicknames as any other facts that appear on Wikipedia, use a verified source (WP:V). I'll try to find and add refs for what I can and remove what I can't source. If anyone finds good sources for other nicknames, they can add them. Rwalker (talk) 20:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I found reliable sources for The Discovery City, Arch City, and Indie Art Capital. I found no references for Cap City and The Biggest Small Town In America specific to Columbus. Bike City USA was a political initiative set forth by the mayor in February 2010 (http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2010/02/22/daily29.html) which may or may not come to pass. While there are some references to C-Bus and Cowtown in newspaper articles and t-shirts, they seem to be unofficial nicknames so I've kept them out until there is consensus about using them.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rwalker (talk • contribs) 20:51, 21 June 2010
    A search turned up previous discussion, that i haven't read, at Talk:Columbus, Ohio/Archive 1#"Arch City".
    The term may be notable for its use to set the time (c. 1900) of the fictional events in James Thurber's 1941 story "You Could Look It Up" (which is probably the source of the Casey Stengel -- apparently not Yogi Berra -- expression).
--Jerzy•t 22:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Moving sections to new articles

The article is 115 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. See Wikipedia:Article size. The three largest sections are Geography, Economy and Culture. I'm suggesting we create articles for them. Discuss! Rwalker (talk) 14:15, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I've moved two sections to their own articles: Geography of Columbus, Ohio and Economy of Columbus, Ohio. Rwalker (talk) 17:12, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Rwalker, I would just suggest you put the Climate subsection back in, as it is pretty much standard for this type of WP entry, as weather/climate summary is interesting and key information. This is first of a dozen or so cities on WP that I have seen that [now] has no weather data table. Just a suggestion. I also think maybe there should be a few more sentences on this page summarizing (and even giving a few examples of major employers, e.g., DSSC in Whitehall). I will try to do this soon. But yes, the Economy section as it originally was here was getting kind of big. Jack B108 (talk) 01:29, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Airports paragraph new content

The sentence added today "The three airports are unique in that they don't fight and bicker and pillage each other, they work together to make Ohio better for business" is not really appropriate for an encyclopedia. I have already removed this phrasing once and will remove it again. If one wishes to contribute an opinion written like this for public consumption, I recommend a letter to the editor of a major newspaper. Jack B108 (talk) 17:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

County seat

It's the county seat only of Franklin County, Ohio, not of Delaware County, Ohio as well. I can see how http://www.naco.org/Template.cfm?Section=Find_a_County&Template=/cffiles/counties/citiescounty.cfm&countyid=39041 might be confusing on that point, as Columbus is listed as a place in Delaware County that is a county seat, but so is Delaware, Ohio...and Delaware is the county seat of Delaware County. postdlf (talk) 19:20, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

This sounds a lot more reasonable to me, as it would be kind of shocking really for Delaware Co. to be seated in C-bus. As for my reverting an edit by 98.235.132.1 that removed interesting material (that C-bus extends into Delaware and Fairfield Cos.), I stand by it. This user was "unregistered" (not "anonymous", as was stated to me), the acct. was brand new, and there was no justification given for this edit. I was completely sure that this municipality extended into Delaware and at least one other county, but I wasn't sure which. The ref added by Unionhawk (U.S. Census FactFinder) appears to confirm this, assuming the map is accurate. I would like to see the sentence restored to include both county seat and county spillover info, if that is OK with folks. I think it is interesting and shows the unique power of Columbus to take over the world! Or parts of it anyway. Mayor Sensenbrenner, R.I.P. Jack B108 (talk) 21:52, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Columbus Neighborhoods

I joined Wikipedia for the purpose of deleting the "French Quarter at the Continent" from the "Columbus Neighborhoods" section of this article. If this article will contain only an a reference and link to a broader article on "Columbus Neighborhoods," this should come off for the following reasons: (1) the actual linked "Columbus Neighborhoods" page contains no reference to this place; and (2) "French Quarter at the Continent" is not a well known represenative neighborhood. The reference section in this article should include German Village, Short North, Clintonville, Italian Village, and probably others.

DCBuck (talk) 21:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

New Drive By Editing

I am sorry to have to comment here on the changes made to C-bus Cowtown during the last week, but many of them are detrimental. As an example, this particular new paragraph is not good: Columbus is an emerging global city, home to the world's largest private research and development foundation, the Battelle Memorial Institute, CAS, or Chemical Abstracts, the world's largest clearinghouse of chemical data, NetJets, the world's largest private aircraft carrier, The University System of Ohio, the nation's largest, the world's largest cartoon collection, the Billy Ireland Cartoon Library & Museum,[13] and the Buckeye Bullet 2, the world's fastest fuel cell electric vehicle. This paragraph contains vague and untrue statements and must go if this is to remain a quality article. For one, there is no evidence whatsoever that Ohio's U system is "the nation's largest": it's not. And Netjets is not the "world's largest private carrier", it is a fractional ownership company, sort of like a jet rental company, a timeshare jet corporation. UAL of Chicago might be the world's largest private carrier. The Buckeye Bullet? Doesn't belong here, as that is too much information. And Kabul, Afghanistan, is "an emerging global city", too. Is this statement right from the Columbus city council? The statements about CAS & Battelle are actually bona fide, tho. I already removed this paragraph once: how many times is it going to be reinserted, when it contains inaccurate writing? Jack B108 (talk) 18:04, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

While I think Wiki Historian N OH has good intentions, I completely agree with the sentiment of Jack's message. §hepTalk 20:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

The world's fastest fuel cell car is not notable, especially built by some of the city's youngest and brightest? Columbus has a lot of world's this, and that. Just because no one buys fuel cell vehicles doesn't mean it's not an emerging technology part of the modern global community. Some sources suggest the average age of the Columbusonian is 32. It is not a wilting global community, it is an emerging global community home to global corporations, a large global population, and some of the world's largest institutions. Ohio is considered the "fuel cell corridor," and this is completely in line with a 5-paragraph introduction. Wikipedia's own List of largest universities by enrollment has the University System of Ohio as the nation's largest. With NetJets, carrier was changed to fleet to address criticisms.

What's wrong with Kabul? Afghanistan is like the 57th state after Israel, Germany, United Kingdom, Saudi Arabia, Korea, Japan, and Iraq. Might as well get acquainted. Obama didn't error when he said he's visited 57 states, just as the former President before him didn't error when he said internets. There are more than 1. Even the public knows about http://www1. and http://www2...

How many times is destructive editing going to occur?

Wiki Historian N OH (talk) 02:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

You're adding too much content only marginally related to Columbus. That's the problem. §hepTalk 21:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
??? Like...
Wiki Historian N OH (talk) 05:53, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you have and haven't added, but after a quick scan: The Broadway section, Ohio State Athletics, Dating Scene, QUBE, The Grid and Address system has too much information that is not sourced, Rankings ("on a fun note", not encyclopedic language), Demographics has unrelated images. For starters. §hepTalk 19:11, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, Wiki Historian N OH, I read the Talk page, and you have consensus with yourself. You put the hyperbole back in, but you rewrote it so at least it isn't patently false or so poorly written that it is a critical credibility issue for WP. Let me add that in an encyclopedia, nicknames in common use, such as "cowtown" for Columbus, Ohio, aren't to be edited away because editors don't like them. There seems to be a lot of confusion about this here, and multiple editors that remove "cowtown" under their own bias. If it's used, it is reality, and it violates WP policy to show undue "spin" or bias by removing a well-known and popular nickname from the list here. By contrast, no one uses "Arch City" anymore, give me a break, yet it is still on the list? If I called one of my editor friends in Columbus and asked them how things were going in "Arch City", I am sure they would just get confused or howl with laughter. Jack B108 (talk) 16:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Largest City?

I removed the statement that Columbus is "the largest city in Ohio" from the first line not because it isn't technically true but because it is misleading. It would be fine to note this curiosity lower down in the article somewhere, but in its current prominent placement it is misleading and distracting. Columbus is the third largest metropolitan area - that is what belongs in the first line because that is what matters to everyone but statisticians. --Hugetim (talk) 20:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I disagree with your action and with your statement that no one but statisticians care about municipal population. Columbus is interesting in part because it has such a large population. This is no doubt due at least in part to the policy of former Mayor Sensenbrenner to annex often and aggressively. Jack B108 (talk) 23:25, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Jack that your statement would appear to be false, or at least not backed by any evidence. I see no reason not to include the fact that it is the largest city in the state. I don't see how a fact can be misleading. ShepTalk 16:59, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Shep, I don't understand your statements. I explicitly acknowledged that the statement in question is true. Is it really difficult to understand how the placement of a fact could be misleading? We are talking about the first clause in the article. When I read it the first time, I did a double-take because I know that Cleveland and Cincinnati are at the centers of the two largest metropolitan areas in Ohio, each metro area including more than 300,000 more people than Columbus's. But maybe I'm biased towards the metro area definition because I'm from St. Louis. (: --Hugetim (talk) 21:29, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Beyond the gist of "I don't get why acknowledging municipal boundaries is important", I don't really see an argument here. postdlf (talk) 17:19, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
That was my argument, indeed. As a visitor to Ohio or as someone researching Ohio, I would want to know what the largest metropolitan areas are before I would want to know what the largest municipalities are. For instance, has the fact that Mayor Sensenbrenner has annexed certain areas changed very much about those areas? To my mind, no. But it seems I am in the minority, and I yield to your judgment. --Hugetim (talk) 21:18, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I see now that Wikipedia has separate articles for metropolitan areas, such as for the Cincinnati_metropolitan_area. So articles like this should be about the city, narrowly defined. --Hugetim (talk) 21:57, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Page is protected again

FYI, thanks once again to actions of an IP editor based in Columbus, Ohio (who apparently doesn't like the reference of "Cowtown" being applied), the page has once again been semi-protected until September 7th, 2011 to prevent a re-occurrence of this behavior. If IP editors are wishing to add something constructive to this article in the meantime, please use the {{Edit semi-protected}} template.   ArcAngel   (talk) ) 23:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 75.60.243.23, 2 July 2011

In the section regarding "festivals," the picture caption below the Greek Orthodox Church says their annual festival is called "Greek Fest." This is incorrect. It is- both officially and by most Columbus residents, called "Greek Festival." As of 7/2/2011, this information is available on the home page of the Annunciation Greek Orthodox Cathedral, at www.greekcathedral.com

Also, the photo posted as a picture of the Ohio State University is a picture of the private South Campus gateway shopping district, and doesn't show any University buildings or facilities. This picture should, instead, be of a University landmark. The Oval, perhaps? or the actual Unversity gateway?

75.60.243.23 (talk) 17:52, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Done I have changed both, Ideally we should use a different picture as that one is already included in the image box montage, but I could not find a better image on commons, and little bit or repetition seemed better to me then the current photo. If you have any suggestions for a better photo, let me know. Monty845 18:11, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Out of date metro population data, 15 July 2011

Under the population data at the top of the page the metro population is out of date. It should be 1,836,536 (2010 census) as is listed on Wikipedia's table of metropolitan statistical areas.

24.53.176.96 (talk) 02:25, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. Rwalker (talk) 02:37, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Freeputz, 25 July 2011

Please remove the line "and not due to a high density rate," from the sentence below. This is factually inaccurate, as the density rate in Columbus (3,556.1/sq mi)is at or above most most cities in the Unitied States.

The population of the city was 787,033 at the 2010 census.[1] Although Columbus is the most populous city in Ohio, this is due to the city's relatively large territory (over 212 square miles (550 km2)), and not due to a high density rate.

Please also remove the sentence below. Comparisons to other major cities are inappropriate in this section, and do not exist on other pages of other cities.

This explains why the Columbus metropolitan area has a relatively small population, and is smaller than both the Cleveland and Cincinnati metro areas.

Freeputz (talk) 19:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

DoneI agree that that information is questionable at best; only with a reliable source saying something nearly identical would it be appropriate to include. Removed. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference Httpwwwdispatchcomlivecontentlocal_newsstoriescensusshowsohiomorediversehtmlsid was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Columbus which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 23:15, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 25 October 2011

Under the Museums section, I would like to add In 2009, Parents Magazine named COSI the #1 Science Center for families in the country. (My Source is - http://www.parents.com/fun/vacation/us-destinations/best-science-centers/)

It's a great addition since the zoo also has their ranking. We have a lot of number ones in our great city and they should be part of the article.

Thank you!

Cosiscience (talk) 14:16, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Done, although the article doesn't say the museums are ordered by rank, so I just put it as in the top ten, not necessarily #1. — Bility (talk) 17:45, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Franklinton Annexation

The article states the date of the Franklinton annexation as 1837. The very source linked in Google Books (and confirmed with my own copy) states 1870. Other sources states 1871. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmorgan.2005 (talk • contribs) 01:45, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 February 2012

Please REMOVE Zapopan, Jalisco, Mexico and Kumasi, Ghana from the Sister Cities listed under International Relations. Please CHANGE Kfar Saba, Israel to Herzliya, Israel under Sister Cities/International Relations. Source: Sister Cities International 2011 Membership Directory Pachamama14 (talk) 19:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Done — Bility (talk) 19:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Claim of top city

" it was ranked as one of the top 10 best big cities in the country in 2010, according to Relocate America, a real estate research firm" is Relocate America really a reliable source? LibStar (talk) 00:32, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Dating

Columbus,_Ohio#Dating_scene this is unencyclopaedic, such rankings are purely based on who votes in a certain magazine. and WP is not a place to list dating scene rankings. strongly suggest it goes. LibStar (talk) 03:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you there, but I do not understand your removal of the media listings. Most city articles have those and this one did when it was rated a "good" article. Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
re: media no, in my experience most city articles don't have it. all cities in the world have tens if not 100s of TV or radio stations. so unless we intend to create directories for all. as for dating, I'll remove it now. LibStar (talk) 05:18, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, in investigating the 8 cities immediately above Columbus on the List of United States cities by population, 5 of them had spin off articles listing the tv and or radio stations. Rather than just deleting said content, the general procedure when a section gets to large in an article is to spin it off into another article. So at this point, I am going to restore those deletions until I or someone else has time to create said spin off article. Hope you don't object. Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:19, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I would support it being moved into its own article. LibStar (talk) 03:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Alternative/Magnet Schools

While Columbus City Schools refers to its non-neighborhood schools as "Alternative Schools", the Wikipedia entry that is closest to CCS's definition and usage is that of "Magnet Schools" instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.85.172 (talk) 14:18, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Specifically they were initially created as an attempt to avoid court ordered busing for racial segregation, they are entered into by a lottery and typically have a specific academic focus, anything from math and sciences, arts, traditional, foreign language etc.

In most of the rest of the US an alternative school "originated to serve a growing population of students who were not experiencing success in the traditional schools" and "This type of school is not only intended to accommodate students who are considered at risk of failing academically, but also students of all academic levels and abilities who are better served by a non-traditional program. Many programs are specifically intended for students with special educational needs, but others address primarily social problems that affect students, such as teenage parenthood or homelessness. Students are typically referred to as at-risk students, and may have one or more of any several reasons such as challenging behavior, a need for special remedial programs, emotional disabilities, or problems that destabilize the student's personal life, such as homelessness or, in the case of migrant farmworkers, moving very frequently." (taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_school#United_States) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.131.85.172 (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


Columbus montage

I thought the montage could use some updating, so I gathered a few images from Getty Images. Apparently, they're "free" as long as they aren't used for "commercial use." I'm not sure if I went through the proper channels to retrieve the images, or if the licensing is correct. It would be awesome is someone with that knowledge could verify.

--TheCoolOne99 (talk) 15:35, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

If they can't be used for commercial use, then they are treated as non-free here. See WP:NFC. A license we consider free cannot have that restriction.

But you haven't even interpreted that much right. The Getty images are merely "royalty free" (meaning you don't pay more fees for multiple uses), not truly free at all; usage requires payment of a license fee. And even if you had been right about them being only restricted to noncommercial use, you couldn't possibly justify labeling them "public domain" as you did at File:Updated Columbus Ohio montage.jpg. Which tells me that you don't understand any of these concepts. I suggest you not upload any more images you have not created yourself until you have read through our copyright and file usage policies and can demonstrate you get it. postdlf (talk) 15:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Postdlf asked me to comment and I will point out we've discussed whether these new "free" Gettys images work for us (WT:NFC#Getty Images), and even after getting some email back from Gettys, they are not free enough for our purposes. Assuming that we are talking the subset of GEttys images they have flagged that can be used for free on social media sites, they require that the image is still embedded with a link back to them , and they remain non-free for commercial use. So Gettys images remain offlimits for use, as NFCC#2 is still not met. --MASEM (t) 19:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit request--20th Century section, first paragraph

The water project reduced the number of typhoid deaths, not typhus (see the reference given). typhus is carried by lice, typhoid is sanitation-based.14:08, 7 April 2014 (UTC)173.88.118.138 (talk)

 Done. Good catch. postdlf (talk) 15:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

move request in progress

There's a discussion about moving the Columbus disambiguation that may be of interest to editors of this page. See Talk:Columbus#Requested move 15 March 2015. older ≠ wiser 18:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Adding appropriate links to other applicable WP pages

Hello,

As a relatively new editor, I was surprised to find instant reversion of an edit I made to add an appropriate link to a different WP page, and I'd like to bring this up for discussion. I'm referring to the Geography section, where the original sentence read:

"The confluence of the Scioto and Olentangy rivers occurs just north-west of Downtown Columbus. Several smaller tributaries course through the Columbus metropolitan area..." (emphasis mine)

My edit was simply to add a link to the existing WP page on the Columbus, Ohio metropolitan area, as this (I think pretty obviously) enhances the content and convenience of the page for the users. However, the edit was reversed within moments with the comment, "This sentence uses the generic meaning of "metropolitan area", not the MSA (which is discussed at the link you created)."

With respect, I thought reversion was really not appropriate because, as the WP page that was linked to *itself* states in the first sentence:

"The Columbus, OH Metropolitan Statistical Area is the metropolitan area centered on the American city of Columbus, Ohio."

I understand that we're potentially splitting hairs here, but that's the rationale that was used to inappropriately revert the edit without discussion.

In short, the edit should be re-instated, the Columbus, Ohio metropolitan area page should be fixed to be consistent with the logic that was used to revert the edit, or the sentence that Dwpaul is focusing on should be re-worded to dismiss any ambiguity. I'm not heck-bent on being the one to do the re-wording, by any means, but there's a logical fallacy here that should be resolved.

Let's resolve it. :)

Wizardlander (talk) 01:59, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

@Wizardlander: Perhaps you should look again. Your edit was not reverted, though it probably should have been. The edit I made was to a sentence which pertained to the headquarters of various companies being located in the "Columbus metropolitan area" (in the sense of "the area", not the MSA). However, we do not need to link every location within this article where the phrase "Columbus metropolitan area" appears (it appears six times) to the article Columbus, Ohio metropolitan area, and in fact we should not do so. It is already linked to it in the lead. See WP:OVERLINK. Dwpaul Talk 02:17, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

@Dwpaul:

Regarding the article page part in question, originally "The confluence of the Scioto and Olentangy rivers occurs just north-west of Downtown Columbus. Several smaller tributaries course through the Columbus metropolitan area," you wrote:

"The edit I made was to a sentence which pertained to the headquarters of various companies being located in the "Columbus metropolitan area" (in the sense of "the area", not the MSA)."

I certainly agree with part of that. The edit you made was also to the instant sentence, but the basis of my question revolves around the removal of the link you made, not really the wording change. However, in the context of that *single sentence,* the wording change you made was a good thing and benefited the article.

But my highest concern is the quality and readability of the page itself.

That phrase, "Columbus metropolitan area," (by exact match) is used five times over in the body text (six times including the reference, as you correctly pointed out). I understand that "the area" being discussed on a given page ordinarily needs to refer to itself multiple times. However, I think the quality and readability of the page may very well be served by employing a conscious effort to use alternative terms after the first use of "Columbus metropolitan area," such as "metropolitan region," "metro area," or just "metro." Or, whatever works. (In fact, those specific variations are explicitly enumerated in the first sentence of WP's metropolitan areas page.

Implementing this kind of change would also serve to greatly diminish misunderstandings related to the oft-subtle difference between a government-approved Metropolitan Statistical Area and a metropolitan area that happens to be Columbus, but not the specific Columbus, Ohio Metropolitan Statistical Area, the actual Columbus metropolitan area, the area within Columbus, Ohio's political boundaries only, et al. I suspect such oversights and misreads are far, far easier for readers and newer editors to make than an experienced WP editor who may have grown accustomed to doing a lot of (necessary) undoing, even if technically correct.

I'd like to know what you think, since it'll probably be awhile before I feel I have enough command of WP's accepted style to make a call on that. In short, I believe there's a better way to refer to the area/region the page is talking about without overuse of terms that in the popular mind are very easily confused (or confusable) with similar-but-different terms.

Thanks, - Will

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Timeline of Columbus, Ohio

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:19, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

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C-bus

From this page [2010]: "Unless you are WP editor that (1) has actually lived in Columbus in the last five years and (2) willing to do some time doing research before undoing others` careful edits, please leave the nickname thing here alone, because you are likely to be flat wrong. A recent magazine in Columbus had the very name described as here today as "nonsense", the term "C-bus". (http://www.columbusunderground.com/c-bus-magazine-is-ceasing-publication). An Ohio clothing manufacturer, as mentioned in the Columbus Dispatch article "T`s with tude" (10.2.2008), sold 5000 shirts with "C-bus" on them; these were even sold at Port Columbus. C-bus is a real nickname of Columbus, Ohio, in current use, by real people. And this article has plenty of refs already, not to mention that it is silly to use a ref to restate common knowledge. Jack B108 (talk) 01:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)" Jack B108 (talk) 20:21, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

@Jack B108: Wow, as a resident of Columbus for over thirty years - I've never once heard someone refer to Columbus, Ohio as "C-Bus." There is actually a (within the last year or two) "CBus" that happens to be a single bus line within the local COTA bus system with that name (I'm not sure if that supports or defends the theory of C-Bus being a city nickname, though). In any case, I don't dispute that you've heard the name and/or used it, but really, I'm surprised. Anyway, perhaps only certain circles, especially ones that live nearby but outside the city itself, use the term? Just speculating to reflect that there's a difference in perception to this assertion that "C-Bus" is somehow in widespread use.

I expect whether you're familiar with 'cbus' depends on how old you are, rather than where you live. For instance, Columbus' #lifeincbus advertising campaign is aimed at millennials. [1] Everyone I know, age 37 and younger, is familiar with the term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.88.244.61 (talk) 17:28, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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  1. ^ http://www.columbusunderground.com/new-lifeincbus-campaign-aims-to-lure-millennials-to-columbus

Edit request on May 4 2013

Can we remove the Cowtown nickname reference? I would argue that it’s not a nickname, but rather a somewhat derogatory term that could be applied to any number of towns or cities across the country. Wikipedia itself defines Cowtown as “1. (slang) A small town, a hick or backwards town.” Or “2. A town or city noted for its link to the cattle industry.” Neither of which is appropriate or factual when referencing Columbus. While I understand that Columbus has been referred to as a cowtown, I don’t think that makes it a nickname. For example, The Intelligent Communities Forum recently named Columbus the most intelligent city America, but that doesn't mean I can cite that article and add “America’s Most Intelligent City” to the nicknames list. I would argue that at best the cowtown reference is vague and inaccurate and at worst is a blatant attempt to attach a backwards stigma to the city. 98.28.1.59 (talk) 18:30, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you (at least everything but the stigma insinuation). It's a generic term, not a true nickname. postdlf (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I might have been a bit strong, but I think it should removed and replaced with "Cbus" or "Cap City". Something that is more specific to the city itself.98.28.1.59 (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
If you are requesting that something be added please provide a reference. Cowtown is referenced, so unless you can show references denying that, it stays.Gtwfan52 (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
How do you possibly find references denying the use of a nickname? Proving or disproving a nickname is tricky business since it's really derived from the popularity and use in the local vocabulary. For example, living in Columbus I hear “Cap City” (which can be found on page 6 in Columbus and the State of Ohio: Cool Stuff Every Kid Should Know By Kate Boehm Jerome http://books.google.com/books?id=csEBvE4uUlAC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false) and Cbus fairly regularly. Whereas cowtown as defined by Wikipedia is a general and derogatory term. One of the citations in support of the cowtown nickname states the same "Cowtown, probably the closest we've come, is really more of a slur" http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/life_and_entertainment/2010/11/21/despite-its-attributes-columbus-lacks-a-catchy-moniker.html That same article also mentions “Cbus”. I understand all of this is subjective, as a nickname isn’t a fact or an official record. However, reading the article and living in Columbus I was slightly offended to see cowtown listed as a nickname and was spurred to make my first comments on a Wikipedia article. I at least thought I’d try to make my case. 98.28.1.59 (talk) 20:24, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I can find references to Wolf's Ridge as a name for Columbus, but it hasn't been in widespread use for over a century and virtually no one would recognize it (though there is now a brewery by that name). Simply being able to find a reference for a name seems like an awfully permissive criterion if the goal is to list nicknames that current residents would recognize.Bfbraum (talk) 18:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
"Cowtown" is a pretty widely accepted nickname for Columbus; there are local businesses, bands, etc named "Cowtown" in reference to the city, and its nickname comes up in numerous articles written on Columbus. The name can be used as a derogatory term for other places, but that doesn't make it any less a nickname for Columbus specifically. And your personal feelings on the subject shouldn't really warrant what is and is not included in the article.--Chimino (talk) 20:38, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
98, it is really pretty simple. Stuff that has references can go in the article, stuff that doesn't have references can't. You make your case by citing references, not by emotion-based appeals. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I agree with everything Chimino wrote here. Wikipedia should reflect language usage, not try to police it. Jack B108 (talk) 21:26, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

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Superlatives, advertising, sources

Wow. What a town. All those superlatives. And all of them unsourced.

Sorry, but this reads like the tourist office promotion pamphlet. Please provide reliable sources for those claims to superlatives especially, or remove them.

  • "the world's largest private research and development foundation; Chemical Abstracts Service, the world's largest clearinghouse of chemical information; NetJets, the world's largest fractional ownership jet aircraft fleet; and The Ohio State University, one of the largest universities in the United States."
  • "... is now regarded as one of the first modern shopping centers in the United States."
There is a source given for this (Lentz p. 122), but unfortunately, I cannot find that the source supports the claim. Which makes me doubt all those other instances this source is being used in the article.
  • "By the early 1990s, Columbus had grown to become Ohio's largest city in land area and in population."
  • One of the "ten best science centers" - is the "Parents" magazine really a reliable Wikipedia standard source?
  • "one of the largest state fairs in the country"

On a similar note, there is more advertising going on:

  • "the nationally known companies"
  • "an internationally recognized environmental project"
  • "The Columbus Zoo and Aquarium is world-renowned for its collections"

And why do those Forbes ratings etc. have to be in the article twice?

I didn't even go through the whole article. I am sure there is more of that.

Unsourced superlatives are absolutely inacceptable in an encyclopedia. And how is a source supposed to even support the claim of something being "internationally recognized" or "world-renowned"? --93.212.236.194 (talk) 22:39, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

  • I'd suggest starting by removing the edits you mention in your last paragraph with an edit summary of [[WP: PUFFERY]]. I agree completely that being on top of a poll by Parents Magazine ranks right up there in importance with winning the title of Miss Podunk County Fair. The other issues, while valid concerns, should probably be researched a bit prior to removal. Unfortunately it isn't unusual for some local promo to slip into settlement articles, but if it stays on for a while, like here, it becomes self - propagating and grows to a size where removal gets awkward. Like here. I do all my editing from a phone and this is a large article. If it weren't for that, I'd have taken a buzz saw to it long ago. John from Idegon (talk) 09:22, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
WP:Puffery! Didn't know that site yet. Thanks!
Not sure which concerns exactly you would like to have researched. The options I would see for now are either removal or a "citation needed" tag.
I wouldn't mind so much if they claimed to have a large, a fast, a modern whatever in their town. You cannot, however, claim to have the largest, the fastest, the most modern whatever in your town without proper sources.
If someone is willing to do the research and provide those sources, be my guest. We can't have that in the article without a tag at least though. --93.212.229.181 (talk) 12:27, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
Axing the adverbial bloviage would be fine (except the claim on Ohio State. That can be sourced to any almanac. It's always in the top 5 for enrollment. Unambiguously one of the largest. Note that I did not call it The Ohio State.). And remember the purpose of the first few paragraphs (everything above the first section header) is to summarize the most important things in the rest of the article. For specifics, a word to the wise would be take it slow. Older articles such as this were written prior to many of our current policies and guidelines. Tag for now, come back in a couple months and remove. Please understand, I'm in agreement with you; just trying to help you do this with the minimum of dramah possible. Keep it informative, but not promotional. When you do remove stuff, it helps if there are reasons other than just WP:V. You'll find some of them in WP:NOT, another pillar policy. John from Idegon (talk) 16:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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Pickaway County

Are there any maps showing Columbus extending into any part of Pickaway County? I've been unable to find any to confirm this. Neither the articles for Pickaway County or the two townships into which you'd think Columbus would have annexed speak to any part of Columbus being in the county. Though, I guess it's possible that annexations have happened post-2010. --Criticalthinker (talk) 23:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Looked at all of the City of Columbus' GIS maps on the city website, and none show any annexation into Pickaway County, so I removed that information from the article. --Criticalthinker (talk) 18:35, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
I haven't found any evidence of this either. ɱ (talk) 18:47, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Cowtown references

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"Sources for the nicknames "Cowtown" include:

  • The Columbus Dispatch, April 6, 2014: "Blue Jackets' big win warranted bigger presence" pp.C3 (By Ray Stein)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, December 22, 2013: "Checking In – Columbus should have a cow for new year" pp. G1,6 (By Cindy Decker)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, April 7, 2013: "Elite Eight appearance not enough for some Matta critics" pp. C3 (By Ray Stein/J.T. Fermenti)
  • Columbus Dispatch, February 14, 2012: "People, places make for one great city" pp. A1,7 (By Jeb Phillips)
  • Columbus Alive, February 2, 2012: "City: Cow-town image lives on at airport" (By John Ross)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, August 23, 2011: "She's no longer in Cowtown" People in the News pp. D6 (By Colleen Wright)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, November 21, 2010: "Despite its attributes, Columbus lacks a catchy moniker" pp. E1-2 (By Joe Blundo)
  • The Cincinnati Enquirer, February 19, 2008: "Columbus Strives To Build A Big City Reputation" pp. B2 (By Julie Carr Smyth – The Associated Press)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, April 16, 2006: "Some don't like OSU's new jerseys; others just don't like those who don't" pp. E3 (By Ray Stein)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, September 5, 1998: "So To Speak – Civic self-esteem? We'll let you know after football season" pp. D1 (By Joe Blundo)
  • National Geographic Magazine, March 1998, America's First Highway, pp. 82–99 (By William R. Newcott – National Geographic Senior Staff)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, June 1, 1997: "Simply Bovine! Here's a moo-vable feast of cowtown facts and fancies" pp. J1,2 (By Joe Blundo)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, May 11, 1997: "Many feel moved to boo, moo after arena issue loses" pp. 3F (By George Strode)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, March 25, 1994: "Amphitheater without alcohol will draw drugs" pp. A8 (By Jack McEowen)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, March 12, 1994: "Columbus could support sports arena, NHL team" pp. A7 (By Randy Campbell)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, July 25, 1989: "Use of cowbells at stadium promotes the cowtown image" pp. 8A (By Lawrence S. O'Connor)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, June 9, 1989: "Lowly image doesn't seem to bother us" pp. F1 (By Mike Harden)
  • The Columbus Dispatch, June 30, 1988: "City sleeps, Ocean rocks" (By Steve Wright – Dispatch Popular Music Critic)
  • Vinyl Ecstasy – The Second Q-FM-96 Hometown Album – LP Liner Notes 1980 (By Steve Runner – Program Director Q-FM-96)" ɱ (talk) 21:22, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

To-do list

With no WikiProject for Columbus or central Ohio, I'll place a list of important articles to write here:

Develop further:

-- ɱ (talk) 20:59, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Important sources

Images

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Sister/Twin Cities

In addition to the date issue, there are some twin cities that have Columbus named on their wikipedia pages but not Columbus'. One that I know of is Kfar Saba, Israel

This appears to have been fixed there. ɱ (talk) 06:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Maplink icons

FYI, at least for Columbus articles, I've been trying out color-coding maplink maps (to be expanded):

  • #5E74F3 (default): museum, building, hospital, rail
  • #d13b42: fire station
  • #519D61: park
  • #545454: commercial building (and skyscrapers)
  • #428056: bank
  • #FFD650: hotel
  • #8a2be2: church
  • #818181: theater

--ɱ (talk) 22:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Please remove them. It's completely counter to WP:NOT. John from Idegon (talk) 21:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

"Name" section

The information contained in that section should not be debating Christopher Columbus, or debating whether or not the city should be named after him. It's just not appropriate for a city article.--Chimino (talk) 20:49, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree, Chimino. It would be helpful if (even though it's pretty obvious) the fact that it is named after the explorer was cited to a reliable source. John from Idegon (talk) 21:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi - glad this issue came to your attention. There's a community of editors here in Columbus, Ohio, so please let's discuss this civilly and thoroughly. I can and will find more and better sources about its naming, particularly about how the explorer was chosen. I recently took out a few books on Columbus history, so I'll look through them. As for the naming controversy, this is one of the best places to describe it. It's beneficial to explain that the naming has come under controversy, and it's beneficial to readers to explain why. It's not debating whatsoever, and it is NPOV. Simply describing that Columbus discovered America is not only inaccurate, but misleading, and not showing the full picture. The many news articles covering renaming petitions describe how Columbus is now viewed in a bad way due to his enslavement of natives, etc, and explain that's why renaming is becoming a significant topic. ɱ (talk) 00:08, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
The paragraph reads like an activist piece, which violates WP:advocacy. Again, there is nothing more that needs to be said than the city being named after the man, whose linking article says nothing about him "erroneously" being credited with discovering the Americas, nor is his discovering the Americas even necessary to mention (whether true or not). Debates over the renaming of the city are not necessary to include in the article, not only due to WP:recentism but also because the one article you link is essentially an op-ed piece from a weekly paper. I believe my change to the section was appropriate.

For context to other readers, Your edits:

Further information: § Italian-American community and symbols

The city of Columbus is named after Christopher Columbus, an Italian explorer erroneously credited with discovering America. Since the late 20th century, historians have criticized Columbus for initiating colonization and for abuse, enslavement, and subjugation of natives.[1][2] Amid the George Floyd protests in 2020, several petitions pushed for the city to be renamed.[3]

Nicknames for the city have included "the Discovery City",[4] "Arch City",[5][6] "Indie Art Capital",[7] "Cowtown", "The Biggest Small Town in America",[8][9][10] and "Cbus".[11]

My edits:

⚫↩ The city of Columbus is named after Christopher Columbus, an Italian explorer often credited with discovering America. Nicknames for the city have included "the Discovery City",[12] "Arch City",[13][14] "Indie Art Capital",[15] "Cowtown", "The Biggest Small Town in America",[16][17][18] and "Cbus".[19]

We'll allow others to weigh in since we can't come to a consensus at this time.--Chimino (talk) 03:23, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

In response:
  • If it reads a little biased, we can try to reword it while conveying similar information, my apologies if the wording is off.
  • Christopher Columbus is best known for "discovering the Americas", a notion that is actually pretty well debunked in the Christopher Columbus article. We can call him an "Italian explorer", and could add that he led expeditions to the Americas in the 15th century, and leave it at that, but your edit giving him credit as discoverer is incorrect.
  • Recentism isn't an argument to delete everything that is a current event. When current events are notable, say a major city-wide controversy, relating to its name, that is definitely relevant for a section on the city's name. Even if this happened 20+ years ago.
I can cite many more reliable sources that mention the renaming proposals, I only linked one reference as that was really all that was needed at the time. ɱ (talk) 03:41, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

I totally agree. The piece is being edited to support current war, right or wrong, against C. Columbus:'popularly yet incorrectly', 'erroneously'. All the same to support the argument that city shouldnt deserve the name it has. The same is happening in the C. Columbus page where people are arbitrarily removing sentences like "On his first voyage, he independently discovered the Americas and magnetic declination". This page should be reverted and protected so far that the unrest in US is continuing Edit: sorry, for some reasons i was logged out Anglachel~itwiki (talk) 13:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Quote from the mayor: "For many people in our community, the statue represents patriarchy, oppression and divisiveness. That does not represent our great city, and we will no longer live in the shadow of our ugly past." "By replacing the statue, we are removing one more barrier to meaningful and lasting change to end systemic racism". If you, as an Italian, like to overlook the historical facts that (a): he did not discover America, and (b): that he enslaved, mistreated, and murdered native peoples, then I simply don't know how to further talk to you. These are simple facts, not opinions. If I wanted to be biased, political, and somewhat unfactual, I'd say something like "the racist patriarch who murdered tens of thousands and destroyed villages throughout the Americas". Instead I simply state historical facts about the explorer. Do you see the difference? ɱ (talk) 14:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
You are denying historical facts by quoting a *political* figure thus confirming my point (WP:Presentism, WP:Advocacy). Furthermore, this is the "english" wikipedia, not the US wikipedia. Anglachel~itwiki (talk) 06:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
The mayor is the person who ordered the statue's removal, so it's pertinent to know what his reasons were for removing the statue. As for general, sourced, historical facts, Columbus had:
  • "poor treatment of the native Taíno people of Hispaniola"
  • overworked the Taino people
  • "The natives of the island were systematically subjugated via the encomienda system implemented by Columbus."
  • "When natives on Hispaniola began fighting back against their oppressors in 1495, Columbus's men captured 1,500 Arawak men, women, and children in a single raid. The strongest were transported to Spain to be sold as slaves;[154] 40 percent of the 500 shipped died en route.[58] Historian James W. Loewen asserts that "Columbus not only sent the first slaves across the Atlantic, he probably sent more slaves—about five thousand—than any other individual."[155]"
  • "During his brief reign, Columbus executed Spanish colonists for minor crimes, and used dismemberment as another form of punishment.[159]"
  • "When Columbus fell ill in 1495, "what little restraint he had maintained over his men disappeared as he went through a lengthy period of recuperation. The troops went wild, stealing, killing, raping, and torturing natives, trying to force them to divulge the whereabouts of the imagined treasure-houses of gold."[160] According to Las Casas, 50,000 natives perished during this period"
  • "Within indigenous circles, Columbus is often viewed as a key agent of genocide.[167]"
  • "In poor health, Columbus returned to Hispaniola on 19 August, only to find that many of the Spanish settlers of the new colony were in rebellion against his rule...Columbus had some of his crew hanged for disobedience. He had an economic interest in the enslavement of the Hispaniola natives and for that reason was not eager to baptize them, which attracted criticism from some churchmen.[87] An entry in his journal from September 1498 reads: "From here one might send, in the name of the Holy Trinity, as many slaves as could be sold ..."[88] Columbus was eventually forced to make peace with the rebellious colonists on humiliating terms.[89] In 1500, the Crown had him removed as governor, arrested, and transported in chains to Spain (see "Accusations of tyranny" section below). He was eventually freed and allowed to return to the New World, but not as governor."
Directly from the article. I am not whitewashing his slavery and murder of indigenous people, as a Wikipedia editor, I have to respect history and the truth. ɱ (talk) 14:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
The mayor's reasons are pertinent and valid as long as it's clear that they are just HIS and his supporters' reasons: the division between history and politics needs to be clear.
a) Columbus did discovered the Americas: we cannot write "erroneously credited" to promote the mayor's view. b) We cannot undermine Columbus' role in history with an unhistorical "genocide" to promote mayor's view. Anglachel~itwiki (talk) 15:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
There is no division between his views and history. You're completely incorrect on him "discovering the Americas". That is a false statement still taught in many schools. It's improper to state someone discovered a land that had already been discovered and settled by native peoples centuries ago. As well, Europeans like Leif Erikson had landed in the Americas long before. Columbus discovered nothing, he just made the area more well-known to Europeans, and was among the first colonizers. ɱ (talk) 16:10, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
While all that is true, the Columbus, Ohio page is not the appropriate place to discuss such matters. So far, you're the only editor who believes otherwise.--Chimino (talk) 06:30, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Bigelow, B. (1992). Once upon a Genocide: Christopher Columbus in Children's Literature.
  2. ^ Howard Zinn. "Christopher Columbus and the Indians". Newhumanist.com. Archived from the original on 29 July 2008. Retrieved 5 September 2008.
  3. ^ "Christopher Columbus Statues Fall in Other Cities, Remain Intact in Ohio". Columbus Underground. June 11, 2020. Retrieved June 13, 2020.
  4. ^ "Ohio STEM Learning Network / Columbus". Archived from the original on November 29, 2014. Retrieved June 21, 2010.
  5. ^ "A century ago, Columbus was the nation's 'Arch City'". Archived from the original on July 18, 2011. Retrieved June 21, 2010.
  6. ^ "Columbus was once known as 'Arch City'". Archived from the original on January 2, 2013. Retrieved June 21, 2010.
  7. ^ "Indie Art Capital = It's Official". Archived from the original on May 14, 2011. Retrieved June 21, 2010.
  8. ^ Gapp, Paul (March 29, 1980). "The American City – Challenge of The '80s". Chicago Tribune. pp. 1, 10–11.
  9. ^ The Columbus Dispatch, May 11, 1986: "Progress, growth are not in 'Hicksville' dictionary" pp.B2 (By Bob Young)
  10. ^ The Columbus Dispatch, April 26, 1986: "Bigger is not always better, growth not always progress" pp. 10A (By Brenda Petruzzella)
  11. ^ "Like it or not, Cbus now city's nicknames". Archived from the original on March 5, 2014. Retrieved February 28, 2014.
  12. ^ "Ohio STEM Learning Network / Columbus". Archived from the original on November 29, 2014. Retrieved June 21, 2010.
  13. ^ "A century ago, Columbus was the nation's 'Arch City'". Archived from the original on July 18, 2011. Retrieved June 21, 2010.
  14. ^ "Columbus was once known as 'Arch City'". Archived from the original on January 2, 2013. Retrieved June 21, 2010.
  15. ^ "Indie Art Capital = It's Official". Archived from the original on May 14, 2011. Retrieved June 21, 2010.
  16. ^ Gapp, Paul (March 29, 1980). "The American City – Challenge of The '80s". Chicago Tribune. pp. 1, 10–11.
  17. ^ The Columbus Dispatch, May 11, 1986: "Progress, growth are not in 'Hicksville' dictionary" pp.B2 (By Bob Young)
  18. ^ The Columbus Dispatch, April 26, 1986: "Bigger is not always better, growth not always progress" pp. 10A (By Brenda Petruzzella)
  19. ^ "Like it or not, Cbus now city's nicknames". Archived from the original on March 5, 2014. Retrieved February 28, 2014.

Projects underway

Please help with these if you can!

--ɱ (talk) 14:14, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

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Delorean has ties to Columbus:

-- ɱ (talk) 03:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2023

In the section about Columbus’ sports, it says that Mapfre stadium is the home of the Columbus crew. It should say that Mapfre stadium is now called Historic Crew Stadium, and that the Columbus Crew now play at Lower.com Field. The image of Mapfre/Historic Crew Stadium should also be changed to an image of Lower.com Field 23.245.220.18 (talk) 19:53, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Declined nowhere does that section say that Mapre is the current home, and the image caption does say it is their former home.   ArcAngel   (talk) 20:05, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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