Talk:College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS/Archive 2016

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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

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Last edited at 19:28, 11 January 2013 (UTC). Substituted at 12:02, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Merge

I am working through the merge backlog and this is one of the trickier ones. The deletion debate was all per @Dirtlawyer1: and they mentioned bringing the tables in. But there is already the information here in the large table under Yearly national championship selections from major selectors. This article is very unwieldly, but I am not seeing how merging the other article will result in improvement. Am strongly leaning towards redirecting. AIRcorn (talk) 09:10, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Redirected. This is a link to the article pre-merge. AIRcorn (talk) 01:04, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Harvard selected by PD in 1901, not Yale

In the section, "Yearly national championship selections from major selectors," for 1901, Yale is credited as having been named by Parke Davis. However, I bought a copy of the "1935 Spalding Foot Ball Guide," the first Guide published after Davis' death. Davis' famous list starts on page 233. For 1901, it lists Harvard as the "Outstanding Nationwide Team," not Yale. Does the NCAA Record Book show this differently? Jeff in CA (talk) (talk) 22:42, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

The existing citation of 2015 FBS Record Book, pg. 108 does state Yale. The newer 2016 Record Book, pg. 110 says Yale as well. Defer to the resident experts here, but would not be the first time the Record Book was wrong. UW Dawgs (talk) 22:59, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

It's quite interesting that Davis did not use the term "national champions" in his listing. "Outstanding nationwide teams" has a different ring to it. Jeff in CA (talk) 18:15, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

new list article to ties poll articles and poll navbox together

See List of NCAA college football rankings.

This Template:NCAA football rankings navbox navbox of per-year CFB polls lacked a corresponding article, linking the annual poll articles as seen in Category:College football rankings.

Feedback and edits explicitly welcome, in particular around the polling names (AP, Coaches, UPI, etc), years, history and I-A/FBS vs I-AA/FCS splits. I've stubbed text by liberally copying from:

• AP Poll
• Coaches Poll
• College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS
• College football national championships in NCAA Division I FCS

Cheers, UW Dawgs (talk) 16:37, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

Retroactive AFCA Championships

I just saw an article today (10/13/16) regarding the AFCA retroactively rewarding National Championships (and the Coach's Trophy) to teams in the 1922-1949 period. Oklahoma A&M, now officially, has won the 1945 Coach's title. To the very nice and important people who primarily maintain this page, this is something to monitor as all these new titles will need to be added as they're announced. Thanks to all for such a well maintained page that I can always turn to when needed! Bobharris1989 (talk) 17:54, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Auburn claims

Our section National championship claims by school lists 5 claimed by Auburn, while Auburn Tigers football lists 2 claimed (1957, 2010) and 7 unclaimed (1910, 1913, 1914, 1958, 1983, 1993, 2004). For the purposes of this section re claimed MNCs, I believe 2 is correct.

This 2016 Auburn Tigers page of national championships in all sports lists "2 - Football: 2010, 1957." The 2016 Auburn Football Media Guide pg. 172~183 places the unqualified words "NATIONAL CHAMPIONS" in all caps only above the 1957 and 2010 results, contrasted with other years given less prominent placement and attribution, ala "2004 - National Champions (People's Choice)," "1993 - National Champions (National Championship Foundation)," "1983 - National Champions (NY Times, Rothman, College Football Researchers Association)", etc.

This 2014 article sheds some light, related to Auburn's then-newer inclusion of factual statements about their championship seasons which appear in the NCAA Record Book (re Major Selectors):

"Confusion and ridicule were abound on social media Thursday as wording on Auburn athletics' official website supposedly indicated that Auburn was claiming three more national championships, in addition to the two (1957, 2010) that it had previously claimed."

"Information shared across social media platforms is often inaccurate or incomplete. To the subject of National Champions, the NCAA record book has Auburn documented as National Champions in 2010, 1993, 1983, 1957 and 1913 (Source: NCAA Record Book). While Auburn does not currently formally recognize additional national champions other than 1957 and 2010, the subject of doing so is still open for consideration and discussion among the Auburn Family..."

So I think they are claiming two seasons, not five seasons, and we should update the section accordingly. UW Dawgs (talk) 17:47, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Updated section and associated citation to reflect Auburn claiming 2, rather than 5, championships per above. UW Dawgs (talk) 19:37, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

I dunno, to me it seems like if there's a direct quote of them calling themselves National Champions for a year, then it should count towards the total, no matter how prominent the text is. I think for consistency we should treat Auburn's claims the same way we treat Iowa & Georgia's claims (see footnotes on the table). Dolenath (talk) 18:50, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, but there is no such direct quote from Auburn claiming these three years as national championship seasons that I have found. The brief ambiguity arose in 2014 and was tied to sourcing five seasons to the NCAA record book, see here with "The NCAA Record Book lists Auburn as National Champions in 2010, 1993, 1983, 1957 and 1913." and "Champions 2010 | 1993 | 1983 | 1957 | 1913 (Source: NCAA Record Book)" Those two statements are factual attributions to the NCAA, but don't read as Auburn claiming those years. The citations in use (above, in article) show Auburn making overt claims to 2 years and differentiating these three seasons from those claims. UW Dawgs (talk) 19:05, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

For direct quotes, from the media guide, in 1913, "National Champions (Billingsley)", in 1983, "National Champions (NY Times, Rothman, College Football Researchers Association)", in 1993, "National Champions (National Championship Foundation)", in 2004, "National Champions (People’s Choice)". This seems like almost an identical case to that of Georgia, where we counted all of these types of claims and just gave a footnote. Dolenath (talk) 19:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)