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Durable or not?[edit]

This article claims that Coade stone is highly resistant to weathering (and presents the Red Lion as evidence). However, Royal Crescent, Brighton claims that a Coade stone statue of the Prince of Wales weathered so rapidly as to have its hand destroyed in five years. Was it a bad batch of stone, bad design, or not actually Coade stone?

— crism (talk) 20:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
<Copy of my reply at Talk:Royal Crescent, Brighton Sources suggest that the poor design and manufacture contributed to the damage. The designer is described in at least one source as "mediocre". The position (especially in those days, when the crescent was extremely isolated) was also very exposed indeed, facing the prevailing wind which was laden with salt from the sea. Anyway, all sources do indeed confirm that it was Coade stone. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:02, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This reply may be 'a bit too simple'. Coade stone was warranted by both George III and IV, used in the Royal Pavillion at Brighton and at Buckingham Palace etc. Likewise Rossi was regularly further commissioned by the Prince regent. This seems an 'unlikely outcome' for a product and sculptor that was so bad at the Royal Crescent that it was verboten in royal circles. Sources often seem to be mistaken about 'What is Coade stone?' It merits further investigation. What does Alison Kelly say? Chienlit (talk) 20:42, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The following extract indicates the quality of the competition and experience of the clients.
Another person called George Davy also placed similar adverts for his products, but by 1773 however Davy was in dire straits for cash. This was not surprising really since his products used on Adams’s Brentford gateway to Syon House had crumbled at the first frost. (Coades replaced most of it later!) Syon House also held some other Coade surprises. The scagliola floor in the ante room which was designed by Adam and executed by Bartoli was thought to be the original but not too long ago it was found to have been replaced by William Croggon [(i.e. Coades)] in 1831-1832 at a cost of £900.extracts from " Mrs Coade's Stone". By Alison Kelly. Chienlit (talk) 10:48, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't looked into the subject of thr Brighton statue in any detail, but I'm not sure how certain the description of it as "Coade Stone" is. Rossi certainly worked for Coade early in his career, but had then gone on to form a partnership, manufacturing "artificial stone" with a mason called Bingley.[1] This partnership was dissolved in 1800, and some years later he seems to have produces artificial stone in partnership with one of his sons (it's often said to be in collaboration with a sculptor called Bubb. but this seems to be due to a misreading of a paper written by Charles Barry.[2] Obviously, the Brighton statue falls between these two phases, but I wonder if it might be a ware of his own devising - the material Rossi used (e.g. at St Pancras New Church) is often described as terracotta).Ruskinmonkey (talk) 08:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ammonite paving[edit]

I've removed the reference to and the vpicture of the Ammonite paving. Contrary to the impression given, it's modern According to the Architectural Ceramics Society "In the 1990s the stone-carver Philip Thomason of the Somerset firm Thomason Cudworth revived the manufacture of a Coade-type stone..... An ammonite public footpath in neo-Coade stone made by Thomason Cudworth was laid at the Lyme Regis Philpot Museum, Bridge Street around 2000".Ruskinmonkey (talk) 08:44, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who developed the actual artificial stoneware produced by the factory?[edit]

This article, as well as that on Eleanor Coade, contains some contradictory information that leaves the question unresolved: who should get credit for the actual development of the products sold as "Coade Stone"? In the lede, this article states "Lithodipyra was first created around 1770 by Eleanor Coade..." but the way that's parsed doesn't mean that the product was created by her, only that a product with the particular name of "Lithodipyra" was created by her. The article continues "Mrs Coade bought Daniel Pincot’s struggling artificial stone business...This business developed into Coade's Artificial Stone Manufactory with Eleanor in charge", again muddying the waters by suggesting that the products were Pincot's creation, with Coade just "in charge" as proprietress. Furthermore, "Mrs Coade did not invent 'artificial stone' - various inferior quality precursors having been both patented and manufactured over the previous forty (or sixty) years - but she was probably responsible for perfecting both the clay recipe and the firing process" introduces the weasel word "responsible for". Pincot was still employed by the firm, so it's more likely that he -- with the experience in ceramic work -- would've done the "perfecting", under her direction (and investment). The bio page on her describes her as being a linen-draper as late as the "mid-1760s". It is unlikely that she had any training or experience in sophisticated ceramic formulation or molding by the time she purchased Pincot's business in 1769. Unless anyone has information to the contrary, I'm going to disambiguate the matter by tweaking the text a bit. Bricology (talk) 20:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Lord Nelson / Liverpool[edit]

The article currently has two mentions of Lord Nelson with [citation needed], in Liverpool (no picture) and Portmerion, North Wales (no text). Are these two related?? Thanks. Chienlit (talk) 13:57, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Liverpool. George Bullock (sculptor) statue of Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson in Coade stone. [citation needed] (Location unclear)

File:Art in Portmeirion 02440.jpg|Grade II listed statue of Lord Nelson in Portmeirion, Wales. Note:Provenance unclear. [citation needed]

Queen Victoria ??? in Coade stone?? Lurgan provenance and integrity?[edit]

((See Lurgan section)

IRA bomb damage on Lurgan High street. This building may have been 'over repaired' after the bomb. ...and may now be over-hyped.

Is it? or was it ever Coade stone? Chienlit (talk) 16:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please be clear about what your problem is, if anything. Johnbod (talk) 12:12, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Audley End House[edit]

The Lion Gate at Audley End House near Saffron Walden has a very fine Coade Stone lion with two sculpted urns flanking it on either side. It was the original entrance to the palatial house that preceded the mid-Victorian buildings of today which are under the care of English Heritage. 2A00:23C8:1695:A01:D4D9:BC27:4557:1E80 (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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