Talk:Christian science fiction

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I find this whole concept unspeakably silly. The definition is unsourced, the allegations without attribution. Why should we Christians jim-crow ourselves in an insular little cul-de-sac based on the author's religious affiliation (known or alleged)? It's like having a separate "Taoist SF" section for Ursula LeGuin. Why is Phil Dick, a known psychotic, in here? Should Orson Scott Card, a Mormon and thus (to many Christians) not a Christian in the full sense, be in here? Are we Quakers in or out? I didn't know anybody was trying to create a new ghetto for us, and I find the sight of walls confining. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Essentially, the article says that some sf stories have Christian themes, which is hardly surprising. Some sf stories have Jewish themes, vegan themes, feminist themes, libertarian themes, liberal themes, civil rights themes, anti-war themes, pro-war themes. There is, in fact, no theme that is not the subject of some sf. We hardly need an article for each. Rick Norwood (talk) 13:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm submitting this for AfD. There is no such thing as this genre. christianity as a theme of SF is covered in the Religion in SF.Yobmod (talk)

I'm contesting the prod. Feel free to AfD it for real. "Christian" sci fi is a specific POV-subset of sci fi. C.S. Lewis was probably its most well known contributor. There is going to be enough RS stuff to fend off an AfD, so I'd suggest just leaving it cleanup tagged for a while and watching what happens. Jclemens (talk) 14:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Encyclopedia of SF, christan SF doesn't exist. christian fantasy does (from encylopedia of fantasy), and CS Lewiswrote that. Instead of "waiting", why don't you add your sources, as you seem to be certain it exists.Yobmod (talk) 15:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because I have a real job? Note that there's only 20 minutes between my talk page entry and your reply, and 20 more before your post-AfD entry below. There is no deadline, and a brief gap is hardly unreasonable. In all reality, I'll probably get to this this weekend. Jclemens (talk) 16:03, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup tags have been there for more than 6 months.Yobmod (talk) 18:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two had, (unreferenced and POV) two were just recently added by you (disputed and OR). WP:DEL#REASON does not include cleanup, nor any of those four tags, as a reason for deletion. You're not alone in proposing "crappy" articles for deletion--and I don't dispute any of the tags, nor will I remove them until they are sufficiently remedied--but it's simply not a valid use of the prod/AfD process. That's obviously not the entire basis of your argument, since you've advanced a couple other reasons this should be deleted, which I disagree with as well. Oh, and one more thing: you know that proving a negative is actually quite difficult, I presume? Jclemens (talk) 19:48, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Submitted to AfD. Either it goes, or forces someone to provide some RSs.Yobmod (talk) 15:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It should be up for deletion again. This is hardly notable. 64.234.0.101 (talk) 05:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Snippets to add to the article as needed[edit]

Christian science fiction has been identified as a specific market into which short stories can be sold.^[1]

No mention of "The Day the Earth Stood Still"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.141.94 (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

^ Bowling, Anne (2007). Novel & Short Story Writer's Market: 2,000+ Places to Get Your Fiction Into Print. Writer's Digest. p. 294. ISBN 1582971935. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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Moving this here:

Citation is not needed since this is verified by any patron of Christian book stores. This is like asking for citation that sky is blue.

"any parton of christian bookstores" isn't proof of anything. I don't think i've even ever seen one in England. Hence this needs to be cited or rewritten for us non-US readers. The sky is blue everywhere sometimes (and is cited in sky 4 TIMES).Yobmod (talk) 13:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Margaret Atwood[edit]

Her book, The Handmaid's Tale, is strongly centred around Christianity. However, from reading this article I'm unsure if this warrants inclusion. Does it? Also, as a side note, perhaps the article should be made clearer about what is Christian science fiction. Govgovgov (talk) 00:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Bowling, Anne (2007). Novel & Short Story Writer's Market: 2,000+ Places to Get Your Fiction Into Print. Writer's Digest. p. 294. ISBN 1582971935. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

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