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Vocal style section

"Cornell's vocal expression is often compared to that of AC/DC's Brian Johnson and Bon Scott, a perfect example of his high pitched 'scream-like' vocal abilities is beautifully portrayed in the song "Say Hello To Heaven". One may conclude through careful observation and analysis that his rather unique ability has degraded over the years, nevertheless is still a 'more than above average' vocalist as demonstrated in various Audioslave's song such as Cochise, Show Me How To Live and many more. His involvement in the supergroup "Temple of the Dog" is undoubtedly one of his best performance and is also considered one of the finest rock album in context to vocal capabilities. Cornell's voice does not rely solely on volume, however, as his melodic vocals on Euphoria Morning drew critical acclaim as much as his more agressive vocals in Soundgarden. This quieter approach may be due to the damage his screaming technique has caused his vocal chords over time, but it serves as a testament to Cornell's dynamic versatility nonetheless."

I do not think this is NPOV.

Wholeheartedly agree. I am a fan of Chris Cornell, thus the fact that I am reading the page, and actively contributing to the discussion. However, the 'Vocal Style' section is highly editorial and biased, full of opinion. Even the two points that claim to be official (the AC/DC comparison, and the critical acclaim of Euphoria Morning) are completely unreferenced. I feel the section adds nothing to the larger article, and thus I am removing it (for now). ~~

Removed extraneous material about Cornell hitting notes, derived from a blog that quotes the Wikipedia article. Circular. Anyone can throw up a footnote referencing something, but it must be professional. ~Fendermatt 1/3/08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fendermatt (talk • contribs) 06:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I've added the fact that Cornell is a low tenor to the infobox as well as his vocal range in parenthesis next to that, which pretty much covers everything that such a section would be needed for.
However, in the main body paragraph, there is an inaccurate/exaggerated reference stating that he has a four octave range. According to the reference I've cited for what exactly his vocal range is, it is from D2-A5, though I've heard rumors that he hits a whispery C2 in one song. I've also heard speculation that he can go up to B5, but as far as I know this has never been proven. Either way, he would have to be able to go from A1-A5, B1-B5, C2-C6 or D2-D6 for his range to be a whole four octaves. So even if it were C2-B5, it would be one semitone away from four octaves. Besides that, all talk of his B5 is merely speculation, and I wasn't able to locate a reference for the C2, so as it appears on the page, his range is merely D2-A5. Such a range is exactly 3 octaves and 7 semitones, only one semitone more than 3 and a half octaves and a whole 5 semitones away from four octaves. And yet the sentence still remains in the first paragraph stating that he has a four octave range. These two statements are sheer contradiction, and yet they plainly remain in the article. Every time I try to edit it, too, to make it make sense, my edits get reverted. That said, I take the issue here, as it appears I have to do more explaining than there is room for in the edit summary make myself understood.
--Rock Soldier (talk) 03:24, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Everything you've just said is not supported by any references, and is your own original research. Phrases such as "I've heard", "I think", "I believe" are all used by people who don't have any references to back up their claims.

Please be advised that Wikipedia has core polices that must be adhered to, and two of the main polices are "No original research" and "Reliable sources". I will attempt to explain this in layman's terms so as to reduce confusion. "No original research" means that you cannot write up your own thoughts or speculations and add them, and you cannot do your own research (in this case by listening to recordings and/or live bootlegs and analyzing them yourself) - all of this falls into the realm of original research and is unacceptable.

"Reliable sources", and the related core policy of "Verifiability", are about verifiable information. These policies mean that every statement and/or fact must be supported by a reliable third party source; if a statement is not supported, it can be removed by anyone, at any time. If the statement is backed up, but disputed, those who dispute it must bring to the table sources of equal or higher reliability, otherwise the dispute is moot. The two sources used for the statement "He is known for his wide 4-octave vocal range" are the USA Today 1, and the Chicago Sun-Times 2. Both sources are considered reliable third party sources, so if you dispute this statement, you must provide equal or more reliable source(s) to back up your argument, otherwise your argument is null and void.

However, the source for "C2/D2 - A5" is a YouTube video; YouTube videos are generally not considered a reliable source, unless they are from an official channel for an artist/movie/label/ etc. This "jowox" character who creates these videos could very well be some kid who has no idea what he/she is talking about. So really, the range "C2/D2 - A5" section must be removed until we can find a reliable source for this - especially since you say that this section contradicts the lead, which is supported by reliable third party sources, then this unsupported section clearly needs to be removed ASAP.

Another thing to remember is that "Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". Thus, if something is able to be verified, it can be included whether or not it actually is true; for example, if all reliable third party sources state that Chris Cornell eats human babies for breakfast, then that information is verified and could be included, regardless of whether or not he actually does. It seems silly at times, I know, but that's just how Wikipedia is.

That is why I keep reverting you, and will continue to do so; because the statement is fully supported. But we must remove the "C2/D2 - A5" until we have a reliable source. Thanks. 123.211.70.91 (talk) 03:52, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Now you're being reasonable. I admit I changed the D2 to C2 without reference, merely relying on speculation for that. However, rather than revert the edit and delete the entire vocal range portion, you merely reverted it back to the previous version, as if to say that having youtube as a reference was acceptable and that his vocal range was to be left on the page as D2-A5. Considering that this contradicted the sentence that said he has a four octave range, I tried to adjust that as well, only to have that reverted too, as if the page was meant to contain these two contradictory points. Only now do you say that youtube was not an acceptable reference in the first place, in which case I don't understand why you kept reverting the edits to the previous version, in which there were two references to the youtube link; rather than just delete the reference altogether, which contradicted the "reliable" information that the other two references offered. If that's the way it has to be, I favor deleting the bit that says D2-A5, because if the part that says he has a four octave range can't be changed, the addition of that will only serve for contradictory confusion. I don't know why you're only mentioning that now or why you still haven't deleted it, if that's the way it's supposed to be.
--Rock Soldier (talk) 04:32, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

My apologies for causing the confusion. I knew you were editing in good faith and only wanted to improve the article, so I thought you may have had a source to back up the "C2/D2 - A5" thing, but just didn't have time/didn't know how to change the reference, so I left it. Anyway, I'll remove it now. 123.211.70.91 (talk) 04:48, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

"if all reliable third party sources state that Chris Cornell eats human babies for breakfast, then that information is verified and could be included, regardless of whether or not he actually does"
The irony is that he does, but there's no reliable source for this, only barbeque sauce. BEVE (talk)  04:35, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Lol! 123.211.70.91 (talk) 04:51, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
You don't have to delete the entire column, you can still leave the part about him being a low tenor. That doesn't contradict anything else in the article.
--Rock Soldier (talk) 04:57, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes I know, but I didn't feel bold enough to leave "low tenor" there, because I've seen in the past there has been long standing edit wars over "low tenor", "tenor", and "baritone", and I didn't want to restart any of those old wars, but if you think it should be there, then okay. It's just that I've read many sources on the subject, and it seems even the so-called "professionals" don't' agree whether he's a baritone or a low tenor. 123.211.70.91 (talk) 05:13, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I mean, we already have him under Category:American tenors, so once again I wanted to stick to the consistency of that and have him listed as a tenor under voice type, rather than put contradictory information on the page. If you're okay with it, I'm gonna put that back up.
--Rock Soldier (talk) 16:39, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, no worries man. 123.211.70.91 (talk) 05:45, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't seen there's a huge discussion ongoing about vocal style. I just introduced a new section "musical style", feel free to do with it whatever you like User:Klepser —Preceding undated comment added 23:26, 12 September 2011 (UTC).

PMFJI - but the whole assertion about his (Chris Cornell's) "4 octave vocal range" (paraphrasing) is still baloney, unless you're counting grunts on the bottom end (vocal fry) and his (IMO) annoying falsetto/whistle register at the upper end. It is my opinion that when a singer's "range" is mentioned, not only should it be fully documented as you two have been discussing - but it should also include ONLY the singer's natural modal "full voice" range. If a singer has a strong falsetto which extends his/her range - that's wonderful- but IMO it should be documented separately. There are some singers who have developed a controlled scream in falsetto register - Brian Johnson of AC/DC sings his entire set in a falsetto scream. That is still not his natural vocal range, however. Really good singers can transition from modal to falsetto registers effortlessly, with considerable overlap in the pitches available in each register.

There are four, and only four recognized human vocal registers. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_register) They are, from low to high, 1) Vocal Fry (Sort of a sub-harmonic) 2)Modal (also known as "full voice" or "chest voice") 2) Falsetto (a 'false' high register achieved by making use of the upper harmonic series of a particular tone- also incorrectly called "head voice" since it makes use of the upper sinuses) and 4)Whistle (think Mariah Carey or Mini Ripperton). That's it - there are no other vocal registers.

So the bottom line - Chris Cornell probably has a typical 2-2.5 octave natural modal range - as most human males do - which he extends with his falsetto voice. No human I know of has a 4-5 octave vocal range without including the harmonic registers It has long-been published that Mariah Carey's "range" is "Five Octaves +) or similar - which again, is baloney for the reasons stated. She has a natural 2.5-ish modal range which she extends with a whistle voice.

Thank you for your consideration - I would not attempt any edits to this material, I bring this up for your consideration only - and it would apply to any article about any singer where a "range" is misstated. Sorry I'm not signed in - will attempt to fix this later. 74.69.158.208 (talk) 17:20, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Guitar

I'm getting rid of this:

"With Soundgarden, Chris used a Gretsch guitar"

In the liner notes of Badmotorfinger is says that Chris plays Gibson Guitars. I have seen live videos of SG, such as the one of Spoonman, in which Chris plays a black Telecaster, and Jesus Christ Pose , where he plays a green Les Paul. He's used loads of guitars, so there's no point having that section in there.

Chris Cornell has scrapped his site for a Myspace.com profile.

Proof: http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/cornell_chris/artist.jhtml

The link to his profile is in there.

And I will fix the link to his site which is in the article. Shady_Joe

Miscellaneous comments

Chris Cornell is perhaps the best singer/songwriter in rock music today.

i put more info on this article. feel free to add or change it. KeyLime 04:33, 27 October 2005

I second that top statement. - The Great Gavini Cornell forever!

"Cornell himself gained nearly as much fame as Soundgarden during this decade, chiefly due to his singing abilities and vocal range. His ability to "belt" a note, almost screaming it is well used, giving his baritonal range an often much louder, or "higher" sound. This is shown to much effect on Ultramega OK's "Beyond the Wheel," Badmotorfinger's "Slaves & Bulldozers" and the title track from Superunknown. [2]"... This section looks like it was written by the same guy who wrote similar stuff about Layne Staley, somewhat below the quality for a professional article- more like a fanzine bit. I removed it, b/c it's clearly an insert and opinion, instead of fact, based. Fendermatt 07:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Plagarism

The whole section on the new album looks like it may have been plagarized from: http://www.virus-mag.com/index.php?sn=&a=4685 or Chris Cornell's Myspace page (blog.myspace.com/chriscornell)

pic of chris

Resolved

even though i like the current pic of chris, i reckon we need a more recent one ▓░ Dark Devil ░▓ ( Talk ♥ Contribs ) 08:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC) scrap that, the picture's pretty decent now

we should keep the picture of chris cornell

you know, the one when he has bleached blond hair. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Windmaker999 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

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unplugged in sweden

hey does anyone know about the unplugged in sweden album? was it an actual official release cuz its not listed on here?

-nup its a bootleg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.185.67.3 (talk) 08:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone should nominate This Article then.Vicco Lizcano (talk) 22:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC) (Hey! Listen!)

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Peter Cornell

"The similarity in their voices is uncanny" Ummm... no it isn't. Beve 07:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I found their Myspace, and listened to the three songs they have on there. I haven't listened to the early Soundgarden music (sorry if I sinned), but listen for yourself. I'm not sure if Peter does sound like his brother when he was in Soundgarden, but look for yourselves: www.myspace.com/blackmarketradio . Xihix 23:44, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I've ditched this. I don't think they do sound that similar, and even if they do it's hardly "uncanny", since they are brothers! In any case, it doesn't seem very encyclopaedic in tone; it should be enough to say that he has a brother who is also in a band. Beve 05:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

The Civilian Project

No mention of it? ~ UBeR

Is it notable? Civilian was just the working name for the band Audioslave in it's formative weeks/months, but was dropped because there was already a band called Civilian who were unwilling to sell the rights to the name. There was already a band called Audioslave as well, but they were willing to sell the name. Beve 17:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Factual Inaccuracy

"Chris is the first American male to sing the theme song for a James Bond movie." Tom Jones, A-ha and Duran Duran have sung songs for James Bond movies, to name a few. Removing note.--Nog64 04:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Didn't see the word American.--Nog64 04:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Unless you count "We Have All the Time in the World" to be the theme song of On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Which some do. But it wasn't over the opening credits, apparently. So there ya go. ConDemTalk 04:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Im very new to all this editing and posting but i was wondering if someone a bit more experienced could add an article under Black Calavados since there isn't one? Its the restaurant chris cornell now helps to run. You can find more information under www.blackcalavados.com. Thanks!

SiniMy 08:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The Shemps

Revision is needed concerning the year when Chris Cornell joined the Shemps. Cox's Music Choice says 1984 while the "Unofficial Soundgarden Homepage" says 1982. I doubt 1993 is true for the Shemps turned into Soundgarden sort of and Soungarden is way older than 1993. --Sakkath 18:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Why was the whole entire section removed? --Sakkath 02:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

jewish tag???

what the f*ck is with the jewish tag??????

His mother is Jewish. Jobe6 03:18, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Is he a practicing Jew? Or did he take up his father's religion? Or is he an atheist? Frvernchanezzz (talk) 09:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

he did a cover of "Ave Maria" for a charity Christmas album sometime in the late 90s or early 2000s so I'm assuming he's Christian of some type, probably Catholic because he was raised that but he could've converted. However, the Jewish tag may still be appropriate because he is ethnically half-Jewish. Sherlock32 (talk) 21:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
How can you be 'ethnically' a religion? Am I an ethnic Catholic? More bullshit from the 'chosen ones'. 24.190.209.14 (talk) 01:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

I thought that if your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish no matter what. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.235.141 (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

That's what they want you to think... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wōdenhelm (talk • contribs) 01:39, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Cornell was raised Catholic (even went to Catholic school for a short while, as per the Oct 94 issue of Request Magazine); these days he is not overly religious, but likely has his own personal view of spirituality. To my knowledge, Cornell is half Irish (paternal) - half Jewish (maternal). I guess some religious Jews believe that someone is automatically Jewish, if that's the religion his/her mother was raised in. Of course, that's not a belief a "free-thinking" or "non-Jewish" person really has to adhere to. If you think about it, Jesus Christ Himself and many of His initial followers, were, in fact, Christians of Jewish stock. Moreover, from a Christian point of view, anyone can enter the fold, as long as he/she accepts Christ as savior. Religious Jews and agnostics, however, do not support Christian doctrine. Bottom line: It's up to you, as an individual, to decide what you believe in or what's best for you, regardless of what someone else tries to push onto you.

--ArmsHeldOut (talk) 17:13, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I can believe myself to be the King of the World, but I'm still an average joe. So no, you are what you are born as. So if he's born half-jew, he's half-jew. Whether he believes himself to be or not is irrelevant.24.190.209.14 (talk) 01:07, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

JEWISH can be religion but also ethnicity

his mother is of jewish descent

that makes him AMERICAN PEOPLE OF JEWISH DESCENT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.247.245.168 (talk) 15:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Removal of "unofficial" site links

Please differentiate between spam and links to sites by recognised authorities. www.chriscornell.org.uk is one such - link should remain as the site is run by a member of the artist's team and linked to from his official site - thanks. Clarefromscotland (talk) 15:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Question

Do we know who has made the music videoes. Im talking about directores now. i need it to Chris Cornell discography page on Norsk (bokmål) wikipedia. --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 15:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Velvet Revolver

SO MANY PEOPLE want Chris in there instead. Rolling Stone's poll ranked him most wanted to join VR. Is this worth mentioning? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.169.21 (talk) 03:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Center For Disease Control Boys

Chris was a member of Center For Disease Control Boys in the 80's. You can see it her on the Soundgarden Homepage --Wellwater Conspiracy (talk) 18:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC).

Fansite. Anmy better source? Ultra! 15:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Musical education

I've been reading the Cornell and Soundgarden entries, and I have to say that the information pertaining to his musical education and the switch from drums to guitar in Soundgarden is a bit disappointing. That's major. He's a great songwriter and a solid guitarist, yet Wikipedia contains nothing about it. I can't believe he didn't talk about this in interviews, or through discussions with the many people he has known throughout his career. Why isn't it here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.184.120.60 (talk) 03:45, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Temple of the Dog - separate section?

This strikes me as more than a little awkward. The Musical Career section is obviously organized by bandmates rather than chronology, which is more than a bit counterintuitive to the very idea of a career biography.

Perhaps the Temple of the Dog stuff ought to be moved to its appropriate place in the Musical Career? The existence of Temple of the Dog is a significant event in CC's career during the Soundgarden years, and the brief sentence on a one-off stage appearance with Pearl Jam hardly seems significant enough to justify maintaining its own separate projects section.

Thoughts? DigiFluid (talk) 00:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Single articles

Why the f**k are the single articles so short. I've just made Release And Reception', Live performance and Chart positions and i've worked on You Know My Name. The only thing i'm saying is whats the point to keep the single articles if it only has to sentences. --Freedom (song) (talk) 15:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Cornell on political issues

Chris Cornell and Soundgarden played at Rock for Choice concerts, which indicates they support abortion it is worth adding because since Soundgarden played at Rock for Choice they were otherwise happy to indicate they openly support abortion, whether you are against abortion or for it, Soundgarden have publicly made it known they support abortion. I think it is relevant to add it because people have the right to know Mr Cornell is pro choice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smokeyfire (talk • contribs)

The Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, is should not be used to advance your own personal opinions on abortion. We do not go about labeling people as "pro-choice" or "anti-abortion" or whatever, especially for people who are not politicians or known for political activism. Tarc (talk) 11:58, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Rock for Choice were concerts fundraising for abortion. That Chris Cornell and Soundgarden performed at Rock for Choice they were happy to indicate they support abortion, they could have said no and do their best to have no involvement with any political related things but they didn't. --Smokeyfire (talk) 12:09, 1 November 2013 (UTC)Smokeyfire

I think you missed the point, which is that being pro-choice is not a notable characteristic of a musician. Unless you can provide reliable sources to show that Cornell or Soundgarden are prominent and particularly notable in the field of pro-choice activism, the additions to this and to the band article will be removed. Tarc (talk) 12:49, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I've just protected the page for three days due to the edit warring. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:10, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I missed the point? once they declared they were playing at Rock for Choice they proudly indicated they are for abortion. I think fans of Mr Cornell and Soundgarden have the right to know this about them it seems fair it is what they would want.--Smokeyfire (talk) 23:17, 1 November 2013 (UTC)Smokeyfire I found these

--Smokeyfire (talk) 23:23, 1 November 2013 (UTC)Smokeyfire

Performing at a concert in support of a woman's right to choose does not give you the right to phrase it as "they support abortion"; that is loaded, ugly fringe rhetoric that has no place in this encyclopedia. I brought this matter up at our Biographies of Living Persons noticeboard , where other editors who weighed in appear to be rather critical of your stance here. So far, you've been reverting against several editors, and that is an action that sooner or later brings about blocks if you refuse to respect consensus. I am removing it from this article pending further discussion, please do not restore. Tarc (talk) 00:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Well it should be mentioned that Mr Cornell and Soundgarden played at Rock for Choice because they did. Could that at least be added to their pages? --Smokeyfire (talk) 02:12, 2 November 2013 (UTC)Smokeyfire

I've no objection with the concept, but it shouldn't be used to describe anyone as being pro-abortion. Two kinds of pork (talk) 03:22, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

The source I added that has since been reverted indicated Soundgarden played at Rock for Choice, how is the source unreliable? Smokeyfire

Blogs are not reliable sources, as RockForlife.org appears to be. You should read WP:RS to understand what we mean by a reliable source. In short, an RS is usually something like a newspaper, where they have checks and balances on the content they publish. If you can find a local newspaper that printed something about SG appearing at RfC, then that would probably suffice. Best of luck.Two kinds of pork (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
If you search google news archives, you may find what you are looking for.Two kinds of pork (talk) 19:13, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
(xpost from Talk:Soundgarden) The sourcing still sucks, but it isn't even about that; it just isn't a relevant or notable thing. Non-politicians point-of-view on political issues is only really important to people who oppose that point-of-view. We're not going around and tagging band and singer pages with pro/anti-choice just because some right-wingnut wants to tell the world about it. Tarc (talk) 14:01, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

People have the right to know that about Mr Cornell and Soundgarden use to like listening to his song you know my name but I found out that a few months ago. Im anti censorship like Rupert Murdoch so stop trying to cover the truth up.--Smokeyfire (talk) 13:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire

What about this song (http://archive.is/WmOir) --Smokeyfire (talk) 06:57, 7 January 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire

RSN

This discussion has been opened at RSN. Your input is appreciated.Two kinds of pork (talk) 03:08, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Insutruments used

Despite the clearly-marked comment "If you think an instrument should be listed, a discussion to reach consensus is needed first" that has been in the infobox for awhile, an IP editor insists on deleting that and listing virtually every musical instrument Corness has ever laid eyes on. Any actual editors around that are watching this that care to weigh in? Tarc (talk) 18:22, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Chris Cornell

I was surprised to see there was not a List of songs recorded by Chris Cornell. I redirected the page to here for now, but feel free to get a list going before me if you have time and interest. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

This may be worth revisiting now. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:41, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

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"seasons" rerecorded for man of steel

Cornell rerecorded "seasons" for the film man of steel. where does that go? I can never get the structure of how everything is listed. Tangy 303 Mamet Sauce (talk) 23:02, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Chris Cornell

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Reference named "Reunion":

  • From Audioslave: Blistein, Jon (January 17, 2017). "Audioslave to Reunite at Prophets of Rage's Anti-Inaugural Ball". Rolling Stone. Retrieved January 17, 2017.
  • From Ben Shepherd: Prince, David. "Soundgarden Reunion Planned for 2010". billboard.com. January 1, 2010.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:38, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

False "album"

This looks like a false news (album "Champion" ??) that stands in the article since december, 2013 (it's now "and released a new solo album, Champion, in 2014"). Thanks for removing it. 2A02:A03F:1E17:CF00:3C30:649:A251:88DD (talk) 10:34, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2017

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Cornell died on the evening of May 17, 2017. He was found by a family friend in the bathroom of his hotel room. Soundgarden had performed at Detroit's Fox Theatre earlier in the evening. 216.207.248.6 (talk) 12:28, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

The date in the article is correct. No source given for the rest. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 12:47, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2017

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Chris Cornell died last night (17th May 2017) 167.98.15.178 (talk) 12:43, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

The date is correct. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 12:47, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Deserves reference to Audioslave's Shadow on The Sun song being featured on the soundtrack to Collateral

Noticed this was missing. 2004 movie Collateral directed by Michael Mann and starring Tom Cruise and Jamie Foxx. Shadow on the Sun featured in the soundtrack. Tallulah66 (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2017 (UTC)Tallulah66[1]

References

  1. ^ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0369339/soundtrack

List of awards and nominations received by Chris Cornell

Like List of songs recorded by Chris Cornell, now may be a good time to expand List of awards and nominations received by Chris Cornell. I've redirected the page to this article in the meantime. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:44, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2017

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add date of death – May 17th, 2017 155.74.255.34 (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Already done —KuyaBriBriTalk 14:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2017

Resolved

the is a error in the full stop it isnt correct 195.99.175.34 (talk) 11:01, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Which fullstop? You need to be a bit more specific. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:17, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

== Irrelevant additions to Cornell's "Death" section. ==he was 53

Where footage can be found of his final concert and what he played has absolutely nothing to do with his death and should be relocated to another section. His wife's opinion on his death also seems kind of unnecessary. The dude just killed himself two days ago, do you think his widowed wife is just going to accept that two days later? She's in denial, like anybody would be if their spouse suddenly killed themselves, and I don't think we need commentary on that process.

I agree; I'm editing out some of that material. Fans talking about how his last performed song was about death seems irrelevant. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 12:59, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Link to Lorazepam

I think it would useful to link to Lorazepam in Cornell's wife's quote about taking Ativan. I personally didn't know what it was, so I would assume other might not as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.172.48.161 (talk) 13:19, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Good suggestion, the WP article said this about Ativan "Among those who are depressed there may be an increased risk of suicide." Terry Foote (talk) 13:25, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

"Committed suicide"

As this phrase may sound like it is alleging a crime, and this article is still subject to WP:BLP, and also on grounds of WP:EUPH, I think we are better to say he killed himself. --John (talk) 13:25, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying, John, and I'm certainly not going to revert this. Without getting into a big debate about this, I'll flip it around. The main sources (Rolling Stone, Variety, etc) all state that "he committed suicide" and the category structure for suicides is Category:Singers who committed suicide and not Category:Singers who killed themselves. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:08, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Lugnuts, because that category for suicides is Category:Singers who committed suicide.PUNKMINKIS (TALKYTALK) 14:21, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Sorry, I changed it to "took his life" because I respected John's concerns, but "killed himself" just hit me as a drive by newbie edit. If the crime issue is resolved, committed suicide is best as far as wording. - Mlpearc (open channel) 14:26, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2017

Please change age of death. He was 53.

Please change the date of death in the infobox. It says Cornell passed away May 18, but he died Wednesday night the 17th.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/18/entertainment/chris-cornell-dead/ 194.69.14.78 (talk) 09:23, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

At the moment, most sources are stating the 18th. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:42, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
I have made the change, all the reports I have seen state that he died on WEDNESDAY night immediately after the performance, people are confusing the date of the reports with the date of the tragic event. Stub Mandrel (talk) 10:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Stub. Yes, I guess there's a timing issue of late Tuesday/early Wednesday for the exact moment. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 11:05, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
I've changed it back to the 18th, latest reports are "pronounced dead 1:30am on 18th" PUNKMINKIS (TALKYTALK) 16:33, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
chris was pronounced dead when found after midnight may 18th but he killed himself after the show may 17th and was only found after midnight the coroner lists date of death may 17 --— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:fea8:c460:7a1:dc6:3dfe:bbd4:8179 (talk • contribs)

Undue detail around suicide process

I'd like to plead for restraint when adding large amounts of detail about Cornell's widow and lawyer disputing the coroner's ruling. People can follow the story in the media for play-by-play arguments about the circumstance surrounding his death. We should just be reporting that the coroner ruled it a suicide, and a concise statement that his widow and attorney have questioned or disputed that ruling. All the emotional "Chris would never do this" stuff, while I'm sure resonates with fans, doesn't belong here. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 15:47, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

A quote from his wife and his lawyer are notable and represent their take on things. Putting them in the article in a neutral manner merely reports their take on things, it does not endorse it. --Wowaconia (talk) 16:02, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Wowaconia you're missing Spike Wilbury's point. Just because something is notable doesn't mean it needs inclusion, especially when it's something that will not be that notable when the dust settles. - Mlpearc (open channel) 16:08, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Concur with Spike. A simple line and source to say his widow disputes the suicide is enough for now. Otherwise, it becomes bloating with tabloid-esque puffery that doesn't belong here. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:13, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Please review WP:NPOV. Fairly reporting both sides of a dispute is the essence of neutrality in Wikipedia. Clearly presenting both sides does not endorse either side. Wikipedia does not require the dispute to be settled before it is mentioned in an article. I point you to the pages around ex-FBI director James Comey which include claims from leaked memos, off-the record sources, etc. All of which are disputed by President Trump. Despite the dispute being ongoing the claims of both sides are presented clearly and in their own words. Why is Cornell's widow and family lawyers position not to be treated the same? - Wowaconia (talk) 16:30, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Wowaconia: If you have nothing else to do besides adding stuff that will be removed twenty minutes later then knock yourself out, but please review Wikipedia:Indentation first. - Mlpearc (open channel) 16:38, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
To quote Spike "We should just be reporting that the coroner ruled it a suicide, and a concise statement that his widow and attorney have questioned or disputed that ruling." We include the position of the family, just not exact quote.PUNKMINKIS (TALKYTALK) 16:39, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Please examine WP:Quote. Wikipedia endorses the use of quotations to avoid Original Research. The summary offered had 3 sentances from the lawyer and 1 sentence from the wife. Ths is not excessive in accord with the standards and presents their position in their own words. Are you using some Wikipedia standard I am unaware of or merely your private judgement? --Wowaconia (talk) 16:45, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mlpearc: concerning your link Wikipedia:Indentation, it has a banner on the top of the page that says "This page is an essay, containing the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. Essays are not Wikipedia policies or guidelines. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints."
Its an opinion essay not a guideline or policy. --Wowaconia (talk) 17:08, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
@Wowaconia: I'm done here :P or is there a shortcut you can quote for that ? I'm done with this user per WP:DONTFEED. - Mlpearc (open channel) 17:19, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
@Mlpearc: Wikipedia encourages people to discuss edit concerns on talk pages which is what I am doing rather than going into an edit war. Your link talks about vandals and trolls, which of course Wikipedia policies have definitions of. Me arguing against your position on a talk page doesn't make me a troll by these standards. If it hurts your feelings that there are standards that the platform requires editors to follow, I suggest you make a blog to be free of them. --Wowaconia (talk) 18:38, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Date and time of death

I think the date of death is listed incorrectly:

  • The Detroit concert ended around 11 pm on May 17,
  • At 11:30 pm, Cornell's bodyguard gave him Ativan at the hotel,
  • Cornell talked to his wife over the phone (slurring his words, mentioning he took the drug, ended the call abruptly),
  • Wife called the bodyguard, who then tried to enter Cornell's room for some time, finally kicking the door open,
  • Bodyguard entered the room and found Cornell in the bathroom,
  • Paramedics arrived shortly before 1 am on May 18 (Thursday) and tried CPR,
  • Cornell was pronounced dead at 1:30 am.

Sources: Rolling Stone, Spin (based on the police report), International Business Times, MSN
I understand where May 17 could have come from – I've seen the phrase "died late on Wednesday night" in a bunch of articles – but technically it was already the next day.
— Mayast (talk) 23:00, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Infobox instruments

Cornell is widely known as a singer, and per Infobox musical artist#instrument, secondary instruments (in this case, Guitar) should be addressed in the body of the article, no one is saying he doesn't play guitar, just that his primary instrument is vocals. @Eamontopleez: sees it different, currently to the borderline of edit warring, so I'm here seeking consensus. - Mlpearc (open channel) 19:23, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Cornell always had a guitar with him but then again, so does Don Henley and I doubt anyone would call him a guitarist. I agree with vocalist being the only thing in the infobox. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 02:17, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Not citing family lawyer and his wife about whether his death was accidental is a violation of neutrality

Cornell's wife and his family lawyer are notable concerning his death. It appears that there are editors on this page who are dismissive of their position on his death and are removing quotations and details because of their own preferences. Even if one disagrees with the family's position it is a violation of Neutrality standards to not fully represent it. --Wowaconia (talk) 16:00, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with the family, it whether or not the quote needs to be included, encyclopedic-wise. Like Mlpearc said, when the dust settles the quote won't matter. PUNKMINKIS (TALKYTALK) 16:28, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Review WP:NPOV Wikipedia does not require controversies to be settled before they are mentioned in articles. It requires that all positions are presented clearly and fairly. --Wowaconia (talk) 16:33, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi, my point is that we can cover the principle issues (which we have) without documenting and quoting all the he-said she-said stuff. It's sufficient to write that the death was ruled a suicide in one paragraph, and write that the wife and family attorney have disputed and questioned this conclusion in another paragraph. We've done that. We don't need the details and quotations that are designed to invoke emotional responses to the story, as you would do in journalism. Thanks --Spike Wilbury (talk) 17:16, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
There has been two sides presented in notable media sources with no back and forth bickering. Nor has the coroner dismissed anything that the family has stated - the family has laid out why they think it was not intentional and given reasoning behind that claim (such as him planning for the future), that is not in the article as it now stands. Wikipedia encourages the use of quotations (see WP:Quote) to avoid Original Research, as long as the quotes are not excessive. Quotes of three sentences from the lawyer and one sentence from the wife can not be construed as excessive. I will certainly concede that information about the drug does not have to be included as readers can follow the link to that article.--Wowaconia (talk) 18:49, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
(update to above) Looking over the article I see that it makes use of direct quotes from Cornell himself about his addiction recovery that are longer than the quotations being suggested from his family about the possibility of a drug being a factor in his death. The quotations by the family are being put forward to call attention to the use of the drug, they are not as you suggest - "designed to invoke emotional response". They lay out that his behavior does not exhibit signs of suicidal thoughts or even any problems until the slurring which they maintain was a result of the drug.--Wowaconia (talk) 19:07, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
I can see the merit to your position but it's not my preference. I think you'll have to convince others, too. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 20:08, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

I have added to the article with an attempt to honor the concerns of other editors about issues of length and worries of excessive quotes. To address concerns of space, I have used a summary rather than the quotations from the lawyer. I make no mention of what the drug does, as interested readers can follow the link. The section indicates that the family does not contest that he died at his own hand, but merely contest that he soberly intended to do so. The segment also points out his planning for the future the day of his death, which the family brings up as a proof there was nothing indicating a disinterest with living in the future. Hopefully this will be viewed as an acceptable addition to the article. −Wowaconia (talk) 13:25, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't think this is a positive change. You're adding more of the "Please, Chris would never do this" emotional angle and making it more about music journalism than about an encyclopedia reporting the facts. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 14:02, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
I agree, it's not really an improvement. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:16, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Where in my addition is there an "emotional angle"?

Cornell's wife and his attorney stated that until the toxicology report is released his death should not be seen as intentional, as Cornell's increasing the dosage of a prescription may have distorted his thinking, possibly leading to suicidal ideation.[1] His wife points out that rather than him being dismissive about his future, he had earlier that day made intricate plans with her for a future Memorial Day family vacation. She said, "When we spoke after the show, I noticed he was slurring his words; he was different. When he told me he may have taken an extra Ativan or two, I contacted security and asked that they check on him."[2][3][4]

I have merely reported the fact that his wife and lawyer are contesting that it is intentional. Reporting that they have an opinion is not an endorsement of the opinion. Please explain your position. --Wowaconia (talk) 16:28, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/heidi-klums-aussie-ex-martin-kirsten-found-chris-cornell-dead-after-giving-him-to-ativan-pills/news-story/2b24de524dc3a1147ca700b34cef9e6a
  2. ^ Matthew Mussa (May 19, 2017). "Chris Cornell Family Statement on Ativan & Suicide". Heavy.
  3. ^ "Chris Cornell's Family: Prescription Drugs May Have Influenced Suicide". Variety. Retrieved May 18, 2017.
  4. ^ "Chris Cornell's Wife Says Loss has Created 'Emptiness in My Heart that will Never Be Filled; Questions Cause of Death". Billboard. Retrieved May 18, 2017.


  • The addition of the family's presentation of his planning for the future is not found in the article's current segment.
  • If one wants to retain the current segment the argument should not be that its just as good as the edit I advocate, but that the current segment is superior -- otherwise questions are raised about good faith.
  • I would also say that the current version of the segment seems to imply that the family denies he died by his own hand when they merely deny he killed himself intentionally.
To address other editors concerns that Wikipedia is endorsing the families claims by reporting that these claims exist, I have changed "stated" to "contend", and "points out" to "claims" in order to emphasize that the position being put reported is the families opinion that has yet to be proved out by the toxicology report.--Wowaconia (talk) 16:05, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

What does 12:15 a.m. mean???

"Around 12:15 a.m. on May 18,"

It's either 00:15 am and 12:15 pm - or simply 00:15 and 12:15 (in a 24 hour clock). so what the heck is 12:15 am ???

Non-24 hour time reads 12:00 am (midnight) - 11:59 am (noon) 12:00 pm - 11:59 pm (midnight). PUNKMINKIS (TALKYTALK) 14:56, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Image

File:Chris Cornell Montreux Jazz Festival 2005.jpg
File:ChrisCornellTIFFSept2011.jpg

Is File:Chris Cornell Montreux Jazz Festival 2005.jpg really a better image for the infobox than File:ChrisCornellTIFFSept2011.jpg? An IP just changed it. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:24, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

I put it back. --Jayron32 05:27, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Infobox

Various times in the past, people have introduced "infobox person" (embedding the existing infobox musical artist), most recently Zoolver. I have reverted because it strikes me as rather silly and introducing superfluous details into the infobox. Spouse, children, etc are irrelevant to Cornell's notability and don't need to be prominently displayed on top of his musical career. That's my argument but I'm interested in hearing others in favor, if there are some. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 18:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Right, I introduced that. I didn't think it would be a problem since I saw the same details in other musicians' infobox such as Kurt Cobain, Bob Marley, Bob Dylan, Chester Bennington, and Mick Jagger - where every girlfriend is listed, to name a few. At least in Cornell's case only wives were listed and one of them was also his manager for nearly 20 years, therefore a major factor in his career. --Zoolver (talk) 03:31, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

@Zoolver: I guess I just don't like how it stacks that stuff (spouses and children) on top of their musical career information, which seems more important. Any way to change that? --Spike Wilbury (talk) 11:21, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, you can use infobox musical artist as the primary (showing first, at the top) and add infobox person as the child;: at the end of musical artist, add infobox person. use this for code instead of embed: | module = {{Infobox person|child=yes

LIke this

Chris Cornell
Cornell in September 2011
Cornell in September 2011
Background information
Birth nameChristopher John Boyle
Born(1964-07-20)July 20, 1964
Seattle, Washington, U.S.
DiedMay 18, 2017(2017-05-18) (aged 52)
Detroit, Michigan, U.S.
Genres
Occupation(s)
  • Musician
  • singer
  • songwriter
Instrument(s)
  • Vocals
  • guitar
Years active1984–2017
Labels
Spouse(s)
Susan Silver
​
​
(m. 1990; div. 2004)​

Vicky Karayiannis
​
​
(m. 2004; "his death" is deprecated; use "died" instead. 2017)​
Children3
Websitechriscornell.com

References

  1. ^ a b "Chris Cornell Tickets in Boston Massachusetts, Dallas Texas, Nashville Tennessee, Chicago Illinois, Denver Colorado, & Los Angeles California". Benzinga.com. June 6, 2015. Retrieved July 20, 2016.
  2. ^ Costa, Emilia (October 22, 2009). "Chris Cornell Rocks Grand Opening of Hard Rock Cafe Las Vegas!". Spin. Retrieved July 2, 2015.

90s image of Cornell perhaps?

Even though Cornell found success in the early 90s there isn't a single photo of him on here or on Wikimedia older than around 2005. I think, especially in light of Cornell's recent death, that an image from the 90s as the main image would benefit the article, as it reflects the image he had during his first wave of success. Does anybody have one they'd be able to use? Vicious Friendly Fish (talk) 12:33, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

This is a good idea. I know someone who got a camera into a early 90's Bumbershoot festival in which Soundgarden played. I'll see if he can find the photos and scan them. Terry Foote (talk) 13:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Cornell Siblings

In the previous version of this page there was reference to the musician siblings of Chris Cornell who were also active in the Seattle music scene in the 90's and are still active in music today. Regardless if there is very little reference material about their music achievements available, they should still be included as close family in the early life section, not just erased. Roobz1 (talk) 15:32, 31 May 2017 (UTC) Roobz1 (talk) 15:32, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Children have to be notable on their own to be included per Infobox person#children. - Mlpearc (open channel) 15:35, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

The siblings were mentioned before. Try #relatives in infobox. They're notable. Roobz1 (talk) 16:22, 31 May 2017 (UTC) 

Roobz1 (talk) 16:22, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Where are their Wikipedia articles? --‖ Ebyabe talk - Union of Opposites ‖ 18:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Where are his daughters', wife's, parent's Wikipedia articles? Totally not trying to argue. I just don't understand why it's not relevant that he came from an actively musical siblinghood. Worse, why would it not be relevant that he has siblings? Not understanding why the sibling part was erased. A tweaked sentence in the early life section would probably suffice. Wikipedia is meant to be a free encyclopedia with current, historical, biographical and notable information relevant to topics or people- more than just information related to achievements only. That's what makes Wikipedia great, it's more than IMDB or ALL Music. Wikipedia can give a clearer picture of a topic, or in this case, a man's life. Roobz1 (talk) 13:49, 1 June 2017 (UTC) Roobz1 (talk) 13:49, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Then all you have to do is find reliable sources that discuss this, and/or create articles about the siblings that are reliably sourced. --‖ Ebyabe talk - Attract and Repel ‖ 18:13, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

and Karen Cornell, a Jewish accountant.

and Karen Cornell, a Jewish accountant. Whoever rewrote this added it again or whatever is an idiot. You so want him to be Jewish, but he's not!! He was only joking on the Howard Stern show and his biography has nothing about his Mother being Jewish, or him! You're an idiot Here look here fool!: ethnicelebs.com/chris-cornell: Ethnicity: Norwegian, Irish, English, Scottish, Northern Irish, Welsh, German, French, remote Manx and Swiss-German. Not a hint of Jew in him, you fool!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.39.149 (talk) 04:07, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

You're obviously confusing "Jewish" for nationality. He wasn't joking on Howard Stern Show when he told that he comes from an Irish-Catholic family from his father's side and Jewish from his mother's side. It was also mentioned in a 2005 Rolling Stone article. And LOL at "ethinicelebs" being more reliable about his background than the man himself! This is not even taken seriously as a source on Wikipedia. You're in denial and making a fool of yourself.

Gonna erase that line about his Mother being a Jewish accountant, okay?

I'm going to erase that line about his Mother being Jewish and being an accountant. Is that okay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.39.149 (talk) 08:42, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Done; the extent in most biographical articles into how much emphasis is placed on pinning down religions and ethnicity.... Unless one is a priest, it does not matter. Also, somewhere in the article it has been lost that Chris Cornell converted to Greek Orthodoxy because of his second wife (who is). In the end it does not matter. Now the article says he did not believe in any religion and he was cremated and had a non-Orthodox funeral. All this seems so fleeting after circumstances change; just a moment away. Fylbecatulous talk 18:39, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

You people are funny. The information about his parents background had been on Wikipedia for years, then the man dies and it gets erased. Even his drug use as a child got erased although he talked about it several times in his lifetime. What's the matter in mentioning his parents' background? this is mentioned in several articles on wikipedia and no one whines about it. You're trying to rewrite history! Wikipedia should be impartial! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.101.218.49 (talk) 09:08, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Well now what are you going to do Fylbecatulous?

Well now what are you going to do Flybecatulous in regards to this?^^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.39.149 (talk) 14:03, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Fylbecatulous does not care. I am happy I contributed a useable infobox to this talk page and I am sad Chris Cornell died. Bye. Fylbecatulous talk 11:48, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

References

Now, who's being delusional!?!

Now who's being delusional. You are you fool!^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.39.149 (talk) 11:21, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Please erase Karen Cornell, an accountant and psychic of Jewish background, she was NOT!

Can you please erase or delete or whatever that Karen Cornell was Jewish, she was NOT! I have it on good authority that she was NOT! PLEASE DELETE THIS It is not appropriate and very offensive! Let Chris rest in peace! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.39.149 (talk) 12:33, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

OH YES!!!

OH YES YOU'RE 100% RIGHT!!! NOT!!! BECAUSE YOU DO OR SHOULD KNOW!!! THAT Wikipedia is NEVER EVER USED IN University references for assignments and essays!!! And if it is, you get marks off for quoting Wikipedia. And Chris Cornell's ancestry of his parents background WAS changed long before he died (God rest his soul) You have no proof or eveidence Or what have you to claim that his Mother or him was Jewish "nationality" wise or otherwise. Look up Jew or Not Jew! They are always 99.9% correct, It's from the horses mouth so to speak. [1]

and Karen Cornell, an accountant and psychic of Jewish background SHE WASN'T, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CHANGE THIS!!!

Whoever keeps on changing Karen's Cornell's background can you please stop it / them or block it / them!! It's wrong and it's very offensive, Cornell is clearly not a Jewish name! [2] His Mother wasn't Jewish and Chris was NOT Jewish... At all! So get over it and let him rest in peace!

Murder conspiracy theories

Is it worth putting in a section covering the suggestions that Cornell's death was actually murder, covered up by disguising it as suicide? Danylstrype (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Request for page protection

Can this page be protected again? Due to the recent suicide of Chester Bennington, lots of people are trolling this page today, both IPs and newly registered users are doing that, erasing information and adding intentionally inaccurate info. It's time to protetc this page again. (Zoolver (talk) 21:48, 20 July 2017 (UTC)).

Chester Bennington

Various people in the media have made the connection that Chester Bennington died on Cornell's birthday and a paragraph was introduced here stating so. I guess it's an "interesting" factoid but it has nothing to do with Chris Cornell's biography or his death. I don't think it belongs here. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 10:38, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

It has everything to do with his death. It's non-coincidental and is encyclopedia noteworthy in the article. --207.172.184.157 (talk) 12:42, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
This is mentioned on Chester's page, but of course Spike erased it from Cornell's page because he knows better. It was just a coincidence that the man hung himself on the birthday of his friend (who died the same way), just two months after singing at his funeral and after his bandmates stated that he was devastated by Cornell's death. But hey, it has nothing to do with Cornell and shouldn't be mentioned on his page... Coincidence is Cornell dying in the same day and manner of Ian Curtis 37 years later, and yet there's a mention of this on his page and a "see also" for musicians who have hung themselves and a list of suicides. Now that's nice. (Zoolver (talk) 18:31, 21 July 2017 (UTC))
As the editor who, not otherwise involved in editing this page, added the see-also section referenced above, I would point out that the guidelines for those sections allow for that sort of mention of something coincidental at an editor's discretion. It is also where we have usually put links to other relevant lists that have included the article mentioned (or broad topic articles not otherwise linked from the text).

As for noting the apparent coincidence of Cornell choosing the same method and date as Ian Curtis for his own suicide, I had thought I was the only one who had noticed, but as usual a Google search shows otherwise. (I didn't notice the date coincidence, or rather it didn't occur to me, until I saw the picture of his gravestone (nice job getting out there and getting it, whoever did it) in this article and, recalling that I took the picture of Curtis's grave three years ago (almost) that is now used in many Wikipedias, looked around to see if we had any other pictures of rock-star graves (besides, of course, Jim Morrison's). Only then did I notice the date coincidence, although when Cornell died I did notice the coincidental choice of method.

I found, BTW, one clearly reliable source, the Columbus Dispatch, noting and discussing the coincidence, significant I think because as the author notes Columbus was "the next city" on the tour itinerary, the one Cornell said he felt sorry for, something which at the time he said it was taken as a compliment to the crowd's enthusiasm but seems now to perhaps have had other implications. Also, I noticed, in the 1994 Rolling Stone interview the article uses as a source, Cornell specifically mentions Joy Division as a band the founding members of Soundgarden all were familiar with and liked (I wonder if he/they ever covered any Joy Division songs ... as I started typing this I was listening to "Atmosphere" and I wondered how Cornell might have sung it before he "abandoned too soon".

So, I am wondering if maybe we could find a way to incorporate this, and perhaps Bennington's suicide as well, into the article, since reliable sources seem to have noticed the coincidences and commented on them. Any thoughts? Daniel Case (talk) 19:15, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

I feel like it can be mentioned, but I object to it being in the Death section since has nothing to do with the narrative of Cornell's death. I also think we need to word it such that no actual connection has been documented (like in a suicide note) but only that media have noticed/pointed out the coincidence. Something like, "Music journalists have noted that Bennington committed suicide on Cornell's birthday yadda yadda yadda." --Spike Wilbury (talk) 23:42, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
@Spike Wilbury: Oh, no problem. I think a separate section or subsection might work better, actually. Daniel Case (talk) 03:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 Done I did it as a subsection of "Death". Daniel Case (talk) 23:15, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm sure it can be mentioned on Chester's page, but I'm asking what it has to do with the section of this article that describes Cornell's death. The "coincidence" is pure media speculation at this time and it's not like it's been confirmed as a motivating factor. We're not a gossip rag, we are an encyclopedia. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
  • can we add Chester's dedication of one more light to Chris Cornell on Jimmy Kimmel? 47.202.18.229 (talk) 18:43, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

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This source and statement is not credible or reliable, (of Jewish background) please delete, thank-you.

an accountant and psychic of Jewish background. Not the psychic part but of Jewish background, very incorrect! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.39.149 (talk) 12:27, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

His background is NOT Jewish!

His backgroud is NOT Jewish, it's fabricated... Look!Chris Cornell — Ethnicity of Celebs | What ... - EthniCelebs.com ethnicelebs.com/chris-cornell Dec 26, 2007 - Chris Cornell was an American musician, singer, and songwriter. He was the lead singer, guitarist, and songwriter for rock bands Soundgarden ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sickle And Hammer (talk • contribs) 11:03, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Chris is NOT Jewish! Why don't you believe me?

Chris is NOT Jewish why doesn't wikipedia believe me? He is not Jewish in anyway shape or form. Not that there's anything wrong with that! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sickle And Hammer (talk • contribs) 12:19, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

His Mother was NOT of Jewish background!

Here is 100% proof! Chris Cornell — Ethnicity of Celebs | What ... - EthniCelebs.com ethnicelebs.com/chris-cornell Dec 26, 2007 - Chris Cornell was an American musician, singer, and songwriter. He was the lead singer, guitarist, and songwriter for rock bands Soundgarden ... Help me Wikipedia! PLEASE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sickle And Hammer (talk • contribs) 16:13, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the website which you quote does not constitute a reliable source. Have a look at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources to get a better overview of the kind of sources which are required for Wikipedia pages ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 21:40, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
This user already knows that this is not a reliable source. This has been pointed out to him/her before and yet they keep insisting on trolling this and other articles using the same source. This person has been doing this for months, and now this article will be protected for six months and only admins can edit it. Congrats admins! Let the trolls keep trolling. Zoolver (talk) 17:00, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 1 October 2017

I would like to relink The Promise (2016 film) to The Promise (2016 American film), as The Promise (2016 German film) also exists. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 02:30, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done — xaosflux Talk 11:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: Thank you very much. However, there are two other instances where “The Promise” is linked to the “2016 film” redirect. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 12:44, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
@Yoshiman6464: Think I got them all now, let me know if you are still seeing any wrong ones. — xaosflux Talk 14:13, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: You Did! Thank you. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 14:15, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Small point

I can see there are bigger issues with the padlock on the article, but the line "Cornell was the middle child of six children" can't be true, as surely you need an odd number of children to be a middle-child? Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 13:36, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Dispute about being Jewish

There appears to have been a dispute going on in regards to whether or not Chris Cornell or his mother were Jewish. I have no stance or knowledge on whether or not this is true or not, nor to I have plans on getting involved in proving it one way or another personally, but since I did not like the idea of the page being locked for six months, I've decided to mediate this dispute to speed things along. The article is now set to be unprotected in 2 weeks from today. However, this needs to be discussed and hashed out before protection expires. If anyone makes changes to this status without presenting a policy-based, reliable source-based argument here on the talk page, they will be blocked on the grounds of disruptive editing, and if both sides are editing without resolution, it'll likely be locked from editing again. Sergecross73 msg me 13:42, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Comment: I don't really feel strongly about this one way or another, although I have probably reverted editors who drive-by remove the sourced statement without explanation. This happens routinely. Here's a quick analysis of the citations provided on the disputed statement "Karen Cornell, an accountant and psychic of Jewish background":

  • Fn 17, from The Daily Freeman: "and his Jewish mother, Karen Cornell, an accountant" - I consider this a low-value citation since they are a small town newspaper just repeating information from Rolling Stone.
  • Fn 19, a YouTube video of a Chris Cornell interview on The Howard Stern Show. In the video he says he's "Jewish on [his] mom's side" - seems pretty ironclad
  • Fn 20, from the Los Angeles Times: "the second-youngest of six children of Ed Boyle, a pharmacist, and Karen Boyle, an accountant." - Doesn't support the Jewish statement but used to support that he's Karen's son
  • Fn 21, from Seattle Weekly: "Psychic Karen Cornell (mother of Chris) peers into the future of the music biz." Again, no mention of being Jewish, but supports that she's a psychic.
  • Fn 22, seems to be Karen Cornell's personal web site? Supports that she's a psychic but no mention of being Jewish.

So we we have two citations supporting the "Jewish" statement. One is a newspaper citing Rolling Stone (but we have no citation to the Rolling Stone article), and one is Chris Cornell himself saying he's Jewish on his mom's side. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 14:01, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Comment: I pointed this out to the guy who came out of nowhere and protected this page for six months without a consensus, that it would have been easier to block the user who keeps trolling this and other articles regarding people's Jewish heritage, but he said he didn't have time for this... Everytime this discussion is taken to the talk page (often by the troll using EthniCelebs as source and saying things like "it's offensive to say that Cornell had Jewish heritage and you're an idiot for saying that he had"), the bot archives the discussion before an admin shows up.

Take a look at this user "Sickle And Hammer" who started this edit warring months ago and kept doing it even after being warned and blocked. This person has been doing the same thing in other articles but somehow they are still allowed to keep trolling while this article is locked for six months.

Isn't it obvious that it's the same person just by looking at their history? Zoolver (talk) 15:45, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it's obvious, and as far as I'm concerned, this is not really a dispute if that's the only editor causing problems. They might need some educating on reliable source but I don't suspect it will have much of an effect. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 15:50, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
  •  Fixed. Consensus seems clear. Thanks for initiating the talk page discussion. I fixed the concerns based on consensus evident here. --Jayron32 15:58, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Over dramatization

The article says "Mike Shinoda, who cofounded Linkin Park with Bennington, said the singer had been so overcome he was unable to complete a performance of the band's song "One More Light", about the death of a friend, both in rehearsals and on live air, when they had appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live! shortly after Cornell's death." citing CNN at https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/20/celebrities/chris-cornell-chester-bennington-friendship/index.html. The Wikipedia article doesn't match the account in the CNN article or the video of the performance at https://youtube.com/watch?v=CgwL14IDDJY; it appears that the performance was completed without issue albeit emotionally.

(The article on Bennington has a similar problematic account: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Bennington#Connections_to_Chris_Cornell.27s_death.) Patrick Dark (talk) 04:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

A lot of enthusiastic fans added to these articles after the deaths, often paraphrasing or quoting from emotional music journalism and a lot of that tone got into Wikipedia (improperly). It definitely needs to be scaled back and made neutral and encyclopedic. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 10:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Yes, and the Linkin Park fanbase seems to be particularly bad about this. You're definitely in the right to go about adjusting it, but historically, the bands more popular/relevant articles tend to keep devolving back into their fan site-like state. Sergecross73 msg me 15:06, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Google is very effective. I found the source in just a few seconds. The whole account is here: http://www.nme.com/news/music/chester-bennington-chris-cornells-grief-2113797

Although the admin who added that section didn't see any problem back then. Zoolver (talk) 17:17, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

This section is about the tone of the writing, not locating a source. And please comment on the content, not the editor. --Spike Wilbury (talk) 19:02, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Right. What's going on in the posts above mine is exactly comments on the editors. So it's not allowed to comment on the editors' actions only if they happen to be admins, right?, and I didn't even name names. Sorry, I forgot that admins get a free pass for anything. My bad! And my post was a reply to the OP, who said: "The Wikipedia article doesn't match the account in the CNN article", and I provided a source for that account. Now if the replies to the OP misinterpreted what he said or didn't bother to look for a more appropriate source for that portion of the article, that's not really my fault. Zoolver (talk) 22:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
Why are you so angry? We're just saying the text could be tweaked a bit to be a little more encyclopedic. No one said you couldn't comment, or even that you're wrong. Please, take it easy a bit. I understand you had a bad experience with another editor when the page got locked, but I assure you, I'm acting in good faith, and the others here right now appear to be too, please afford us the same consideration. Sergecross73 msg me 22:48, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm not angry. I replied to the OP and provided a source. But Spike Wilbury showed up complaining about something that was already happening before my post just because I used the word "admin". And it was in fact an admin who started that section, and no one thought the tone or wrong source was a problem back then. It's easier to blame it on "enthusiastic fans" (oh, and here's the comment on the editors again) months later. It's not a secret that admins have a different way of dealing with their admin buddies than how they deal with regular editors. I bet at least 2 admins would have showed up here to complain if a regular editor had asked an admin "Why are you so angry?", or "comment on this, not on that". Zoolver (talk) 03:43, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
Look, I'm trying to work with you here, but this talk page is not the place for all your gripes against Admin. If you've got an actionable complaint about an Admin, take it to WP:ANI. But right here, right now, this discussion is about the article's tone, of which I see 3 people commenting on wording/tone, and one person who briefly mentioned a source before spiraling out into rambling tirade about Admin. Sergecross73 msg me 13:09, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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DEPRESSION DEPRESSION DEPRESSION

The primary author(s) of this entry appear to have gone to great lengths to convince the reader that Chris Cornell committed suicide. It reads like a prosecutor is building a case for depression being the reason for Cornell's death. It's odd, and that section of this entry really should be shortened and simplified. N0MINAY (talk) 06:58, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

It's a bit overly detailed with the play-by-play details of finding him, but I don't see too much harping about suicide or depression in there. I don't really see someone trying to "build a case" (the page stats don't really show a primary author since his death) and I don't see the motivation why someone would want to - it's relatively undisputed at this point. Sergecross73 msg me 15:04, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Chris may not have commited suicide

There was evidence of struggle : The soft tissues and muscles of the chest had multiple foci of hemorrhage. The anterior aspects of the right secondthrough sixth and left second through fifth ribs were fractured. The anterior mediastinal soft tissues were hemorrhagic.The anterior aspects of the right and left lungs had focal areas of hemorrhage. source : https://fr.scribd.com/document/350230192/Autopsy-Report-Chris-Cornell-WCMEO-17-6097 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.178.57.21 (talk) 21:01, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Please see WP:FRINGE. Sergecross73 msg me 22:07, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Chris Cornell's birthday is June 20, 1964

Chris Cornell was actually born June 20, 1964 in Seattle, Washington.

Here: https://www.laweekly.com/music/soundgarden-singer-chris-cornell-dead-at-52-of-suspected-suicide-8244580 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleanorindurangarden1982 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

No, it's not, and that link is wrong. I don't know why people keep changing his birth date here when there are countless sources showing that he was born on July 20, 1964. The sources are even linked in the article.


https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/may/18/chris-cornell-obituary

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/07/20/chester-bennington-died-on-chris-cornells-birthday-and-their-friendship-goes-back-years/

https://twitter.com/chriscornell/status/2736951783

https://twitter.com/chriscornell/status/18978503073 -Zoolver (talk) 21:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I ain't lying he was really born on June 20, 1964. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleanorindurangarden1982 (talk • contribs)
No one is accusing you of lying, just possibly being misinformed. I find the Twitter sources linked above as particularly persuasive here - do you really think Chris Cornell himself, on his verified Twitter account, got his own birthday wrong? And by an entire month? How do you explain his own comments? Sergecross73 msg me 02:57, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Chris's Mother was NOT Jewish

Chris's Mother was NOT Jewish at all! I have proof!

Here:

Chris Cornell - WikiTree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Boyle-2048

May 18, 2017 - Explore genealogy for Chris (Boyle) Cornell born 1964 Seattle, King, Washington, United States died 2017 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, United ... 2007, Chris appeared to state that his mother is Jewish. This is not accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.198.189 (talk) 10:11, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

That is not a usable/reliable source. It’s a wiki, meaning anyone can change it whenever. So it fails WP:USERG. Sergecross73 msg me 10:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

No of the sources that you have a credible or reliable either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.136.104.164 (talk) 06:14, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Please elaborate. Sergecross73 msg me 12:14, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry. I meant to say none of the sources that you have are credible or reliable either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.86.209.61 (talk) 02:48, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. That’s what I’m asking you to elaborate on. Please explain such a statement. Sergecross73 msg me 03:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh!!! I see, I see. Look I'm not angry or mad I just think you guys have your facts wrong about his Mother being Jewish. Battery is dying. I'll reply soon as to why you have your sources and facts wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.136.110.89 (talk) 05:19, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

But you wont believe me anyway in what I say so I don't see the point in justifying myself to you guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.198.189 (talk) 13:35, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

There are five sources in the article that all confirm her ethnic background; do you have specific evidence that all five of those sources is wrong? --Jayron32 13:39, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
It's taken you an entire month to present one unreliable source. You can't blame anyone else when you fail to present any valid evidence, or even much of an argument at all. You've made more comments about your plans on providing evidence than actually doing it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:45, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I can't do this when 2 people are attacking me. I've written something before which is a credible source that Chris Cornell is NOT Jewish, If you don't believe me... Hm, well... If you don't believe it's not a credible source then Wikipedia is really wrong. Funny how Colleges and Universities never ever really site you as a reference... But... For example: Everyone know's that Dave Mustaine was Jewish yet you guys refuse to believe it. Weird. Chris Cornell – Ethnicity of Celebs | What ... - EthniCelebs.com ethnicelebs.com/chris-cornell Dec 26, 2007 - Chris Cornell was an American musician, singer, and songwriter. He was the lead singer, guitarist, and songwriter for rock bands Soundgarden ... Peace, out! K H's! Good luck locking people out! I hope you have a successful time in stopping acurate and credible sources. Just like Hitler and Stalin did. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.198.189 (talk) 04:54, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh by the way that IS a credible Source No matter what you K H's say! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.198.189 (talk • contribs) 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, ethnicelebs.com is not considered a reliable source. What is a K H, btw? Also, please see Godwin's law. --Ebyabe (talk) 05:48, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh now there's a third person involved! Oh and like I said before "And Wikipedia is CREDIBLE source?" Come on. Ethnicelebs.com is way more CREDIBLE AND RELIABLE than you guys! Okay let's do this! And i can't tell you what K H mean's beacuse you guys a re snowflakes and precious and have to run home to mommy if someone hurts your feelings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.198.189 (talk) 09:56, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

AND THIS do you think THIS is a RELIABLE A CREDBILE SOURCE for Josh Homme (lead singer of Queens of The Stone Age for having Jewish ancestry...?!? Josh is Dying (2013). "Josh is a quarter Jewish on his mother's side." COME ON! And that's all it says where is the credibility and reliability on this source and reference?!? HUH?!? Snowflakes?!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.198.189 (talk) 10:05, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I think it’s rather clear that no one here is upset except you. Now please find a reliable source that backs the change you want to make at this article. If you don’t understand what it means to be a reliable source (it seems you don’t), use WP:RSMUSIC to help you find some that would be usable. Sergecross73 msg me 11:14, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
My mother is dead, so thanks for that. I'm likely older and more conservative than you, btw. Please do not type all in caps, as it is considered yelling. Oh, and do sign your posts with four tildes, there's a good chap. Have a pleasant day. --Ebyabe (talk) 11:11, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Also, this article is not about Josh Homme. It is about Chris Cornell. Please find reliable sources if you wish to make changes. As already noted, however, there are several scrupulously reliable sources in this article used to cite his mother's ethnic background. You have presented no evidence those are wrong. --Jayron32 17:50, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Death

The death section needs much revision. 1) Michigan does not have coroners. It is a Medical Examiner state. 2) Suicide is not a cause of death. It is a manner of death. 3) Hanging is not a manner of death. It is a cause of death. 4) Police do not rule out homicide. Homicide is a manner of death. Manner determination is made by the Medical Examiner.

In summary, the statement that the police ruled out homicide needs to be removed. The phrase "suicide by hanging" is neither a cause nor a manner of death, it is blending the two. The cause of death was hanging. The manner of death was suicide. Any reference to a coroner needs to be removed and replaced with Medical Examiner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.232.14.2 (talk) 11:57, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

12.232.14.2, thank you for your comments. I have made edits that addressed your concerns. Next time, please remember to sign your talk page comments by adding four tildes (~) at the end of your comments. Also, if you see a problem with an article, please feel free to make edits that would fix that problem. Thank you. SunCrow (talk) 09:10, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Sentence removal and concern

I removed a sentence that said something about how the postmortem toxicology report found only drugs in "therapeutic doses." First of all, the cited source (the toxicology report) did not say that. Second of all, given that the report found four Ativan in his system and he was only supposed to take one every twelve hours, I am not sure the statement is even accurate. In any event, I think that the article is still not a model of clarity on the question of whether drugs contributed to Cornell's suicide. The autopsy makes it sound like drugs did not contribute, but I am not sure if I am reading the autopsy-speak correctly. On the other hand, the four Ativan and the comments from Cornell's widow point in the opposite direction. SunCrow (talk) 09:10, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure we can take his widow's point of view into consideration regarding his death since she's not a doctor and has given multiple versions about why he was taking Ativan. First it was for a shoulder pain, then it was to help him sleep... Every time she opens her mouth she says something different and never admits that he was taking an anti-anxiety medication for... anxiety. She can't even admit that he killed himself and rather say that he "died of addiction" instead and is now suing a 87-year-old doctor looking for financial gain. And this is just my personal opinion: a medication that he started taking in 2015 wouldn't make him hang himself out of nowhere in a very calculated manner only two years later just because he took two more pills, at best it would make him sleep. The man talked/wrote songs about having depression and suicidal thoughts his entire life. The toxicology report also states the amount of Ativan that is considered lethal, and Cornell's dose was nowhere near that. Zoolver (talk) 23:48, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Cornell's mother not really Jewish?

According to this page - http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1805 - Cornell might have been joking when he said his mother was Jewish. This needs to be authenticated. 'Cornell' is typically an English surname.

--sydbarrett74 (talk) 08:46, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

No, Cornell’s own mouth is a better source than whatever that source is supposed to be. And how exactly would that be a “joke” anyways? Why do people keep obsessing over this? Sergecross73 msg me 09:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Is he lighting our path? I think Cornell, as many authors ( "now dead" ) he was lighening our way. what have you seen buddy? There is something catchy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.20.127.215 (talk) 00:29, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

...What...? Sergecross73 msg me 00:51, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Cause of death

The cause of death listed in his header says "murdered" even though Cornell passed away via suicide. I'm not a wiki editor so wasn't sure how to properly fix, but that seems like a major error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.208.209.149 (talk) 19:22, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. An anonymous editor added that less than an hour ago. It generally hasn't said that. FYI. Sergecross73 msg me 19:30, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Instruments

I think drums should be added to the list of instruments, as he was the original drummer for Soundgarden, meaning at one point he was primarily known for playing drums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalzombieplays (talk • contribs) 03:25, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I've added it as it makes sense --FMSky (talk) 11:11, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Inaccurate drugs

Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but in this edit, a now-banned user makes the claim that Cornell used mushrooms and LSD, citing two sources that do not substantiate this claim. The error was made here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Cornell&oldid=895574818

Thank you for the attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.117.97 (talk • contribs)

 Done. You're right, Cornell's interviews are not so explicit as all that—they don't mention shrooms or LSD. He describes the kids in his neighborhood having access to drugs, and taking the drugs, but he doesn't specify exactly what he himself was taking. Thanks for the note. Binksternet (talk) 00:17, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Request to remove cause of death

Hello,

I'm writing to request that Chris Cornell's cause of death be removed from the page. At the least, we would like to request that the cause of death be modified to "suicide" rather than "suicide by hanging."

Thank you for your time and understanding with this sensitive topic.

Crust Young (talk) 22:08, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't mean to be insensitive, but...why? It's been five years now, and this information is extremely widely known and heavily circulated throughout the whole world. I'd understand if it was some bit of rare trivia of personal info...but this info is literally everywhere. Sergecross73 msg me 22:34, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply,
I understand this information is not new nor a secret, but it was a request for it to be removed.
I believe having such an intense descriptor of his death being one of the first things in the infobox is challenging for some to see immediately upon page open - hence the request (at the least) to change the infobox cause of death to "suicide."
Crust Young (talk) 22:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not censored - it appears this is what you are trying to achieve.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:12, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, and it's also not a social media page that a band's management would have special influence over. It is its own entity. I could see your concern if the article had some graphic depiction of his death, but something as basic as "death by hanging" is not anything that is out of line for an encyclopedia. I am sorry - I am a huge fan of much of Cornell's work, especially Audioslave - but this request just doesn't make sense, nor is it likely to stay out of the article even if there was a consensus to remove it. It's just too widely known. Just like if someone decided to delete every mention of Audioslave from the article. Someone would just re-add the info shortly afterwards, thinking it's omission was some sort of oversight.
On a separate note, if you are truly from his management, as you sometimes state, you should probably read over WP:COI, as you're currently not compliant. Sergecross73 msg me 23:31, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Actually, I guess some of the article is rather detailed. But Crust wasn't attempting to remove that part. Which raises even more questions really... Sergecross73 msg me 23:37, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
This is not the first time that Crust Young has tried to remove info from Cornell's infobox "per request of management and spouse". The first time he removed the cause of death and also Cornell's brother, Peter. He also tried to create an article for Cornell's underage daughter. This user has clearly created an account just to edit/create articles in behalf of Patriot Management and Cornell's widow. Why is this even allowed?
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Cornell&diff=1087172279&oldid=1086147572
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:XXCochiseXx&diff=prev&oldid=1089451887#Request_to_remove_cause_of_death_for_Chris_Cornell
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Skrillex&diff=prev&oldid=942796649
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Crust_Young&diff=1014820399&oldid=985671488
I suspect they're trying to remove the cause of death from the infobox because that's what shows up first on Google when you search for "Chris Cornell" or "Chris Cornell cause of death". It's an attempt to rewrite history. He's a paid employee, so he probably won't tell the real reason behind this. Zoolver (talk) 06:35, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Chris Cornell was Jewish?

Ancestry sites seem to indicate Chris Cornell wasn't Jewish. This is one of them—https://ethnicelebs.com/chris-cornell . Maybe she was religiously Jewish or he made a mistake saying that she was. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 17:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure why this keeps coming up, but this has already been discussed and resolved in the talk page archives (links above.) ethniccelebs.com is not a reliable source either. Sergecross73 msg me 19:40, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Have you ever thought that all these people saying he wasn't Jewish might be a sign that he wasn't? Have you ever thought that statements can be lies, accidental, or false; and then get peddled? Just because a site is an ancestry site doesn't mean it's not reliable. I don't know how you're saying that. I guess you might think .com sites aren't reliable? You can confirm his ancestry on that site. If you could point me to the Rolling Stone article (I don't see a link to it in the archive), then there might be some more credence to the claim that he's Jewish. Why would a Jewish woman have an English name? His mother's mother also has an English name. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 20:41, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I don't think about any of those things, no. I recommend learning how Wikipedia identifies reliable sources to start off. Then perhaps you'll understand the situation a bit better. Sergecross73 msg me 20:51, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
not trolling either. Just saying. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 20:49, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
wikitree.com is another. Even ancestry.com doesn't support the claim that his mother was Jewish. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 20:56, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Re-read my last comment. Sergecross73 msg me 20:57, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Sorry. I apologize. I was a little rude. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 21:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Ancestry is an online publisher. I looked it up. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 21:34, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
The barrier is higher than just being an online publisher. Sergecross73 msg me 21:48, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I realize that, but I believe it satisfies the criteria of a reliable source, from what I've seen, on overview videos and such. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 22:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
You are incorrect. Sergecross73 msg me 22:08, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I see other reliable sources, even good articles, with ancestry.com listed. One of them is the article on Michael Phelps. You're full of crud, to put it nicely, Serge. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 22:30, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Good luck convincing anyone with this flimsy theory you've outlined below. Sergecross73 msg me 22:47, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Well, I was trying to play it a nice. Maybe I should rehash it in a different way now. But I'll let bygones be bygones, if you will. In some ways, it seems like we're at that point. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Find a source that Wikipedia deems reliable and we'll talk. Until you have a better understanding of what that means, looks at WP:RSMUSIC for an example of usable sources and WP:NOTRSMUSIC and WP:USERG for examples of ones that aren't usable. Sergecross73 msg me 00:39, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
But did you catch what user-generated content was? Ancestry.com notes what user-generated content is in their policy, and that's talking about blogs and such. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 02:22, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
The carefully laid-out Wikipedia article states "Content from websites whose content" . . . It's talking about those particular content elements. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 02:24, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
I mean. It took an hour and a half for you to craft that response, no matter what you say. Other people here know what I'm talking about. I was just away because I thought this conversation was over. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 02:27, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
And I think ODMP is another example within that list of a site that isn't totally user-generated. I actually think that maybe the only thing that is user-generated on that site is probably submission receipts. Also, self-referencing is referencing your own work in a list of works by a publication. It seems like all the facts fall into place that this is talking about those content elements. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 03:48, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
Sorry for all the replies, but a simple Google search of "site:rollingstone.com cornell Jewish" doesn't return anything from 2005. So, there's a fairly good chance it's a lie. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem true to me. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 21:02, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Or a mistake, more likely. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 21:15, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Your theory is that Chris didn't know his own mother's religious beliefs? And that he misspoke and then never bothered to correct it in his lifetime? Come on. Sergecross73 msg me 21:33, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Ancestry.com is an online publisher, though. Like I said, though, I think she could've been religiously Jewish. But it might not have been important enough for him to correct, either. 216.47.52.36 (talk) 21:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
Ethnicelebs is original research in its truest form. Users go looking for the public genealogical records of celebrities to come to the conclusions of their ethnic heritage. None of these peoole are actual professional genealogists, anthropologists, or historians like Henry Louis Gates Jr. Trillfendi (talk) 19:53, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Right now, the sole reference to Judaism in the article is the phrase "of Jewish background" about Cornell's mother. There is no claim that Chris Cornell is Jewish. Someone cares way too much about these three words. (Admittedly, someone added to Categories "American people of Jewish descent" which could maybe be removed, but I consider Wikipedia's categories to be such a hopeless mess that I just ignore them.) CAVincent (talk) 05:26, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I share your indifference to both the category here and their overall (lack of) usefulness. I hadn't delved into that because this was the only edit the IP had attempted to make. I don't care about the category. It's the IPs deeply flawed views on Wikipedia's sourcing standards, and their ludicrous theories, that concern me. But they don't seem to have any interest beyond POV pushing on this one minor point so it's a pretty minor issue overall. I imagine they'll either drop it, or get themselves locked out of editing the article if they try to force things without consensus. Sergecross73 msg me 13:53, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Suicide prevention warning?

For a few years now, major publications in the US have followed the European lead to put a suicide prevention rider at the end of articles that discuss someone's suicide. It would be helpful if Wikipedia did likewise. 76.167.242.86 (talk) 21:43, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

That sort of decision is bigger than what can be decided here on the Chris Cornell talk page. This would probably have to be a Wikipedia wide change. WP:VILLAGE has areas where you can brainstorm proposals, gauge support, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 21:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Yes, the idea isn't terrible, and I could imagine it ultimately gaining support, but it's a way bigger discussion that would have to achieve consensus outside of a single article. CAVincent (talk) 23:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Surprise

I am surprised that the article is rated only a B class article. Haven’t read the whole thing yet - it’s quite extensive - but it seems well sourced also. I realize sources and length are not the only criteria, but I was wondering what additions/improvements are regarded as necessary to bump this to an ‘A’ class article? Thoughts? THX1136 (talk) 02:10, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

  1. ^ Jew or Not Jew: Chris Cornell www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1805 Mar 14, 2014 - (Christopher John Boyle) July 20, 1964 – May 17, 2017. Is grunge the new disco? Hear us out. In the 90s, everyone was making fun of disco.
  2. ^ Jew or Not Jew: Chris Cornell www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1805
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