Talk:Charles Willie Mathews

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Charles or Willie?[edit]

I can find no hits in Google Books for "Sir Willie Mathews" as opposed to 734 for "Sir Charles Mathews". There seems no reason to believe that this was how Sir Charles Willie Mathews was commonly known. Cusop Dingle (talk) 11:44, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lentin says "Willie Mathews, as he was familiarly known...". See [1][2][3][4][5] for examples. DrKiernan (talk) 15:48, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If so, the article title should be Sir Charles Mathews, 1st Baronet and begin Charles Willie Mathews, familiarly known as "Willie" ... Cusop Dingle (talk) 16:00, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that makes sense, or "Charles Willie Mathews". DrKiernan (talk) 19:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I moved it to the latter per WP:NCNT: "Baronets should generally have their article located at the simple name". DrKiernan (talk) 09:35, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mother's name and marriages[edit]

It seems fairly clear that Lizzie Weston was the stage name of Elizabeth Jackson, that she married Adolphus Davenport Hoyt (A. H. Davenport) in 1853, divorced in 1857 after a scandal to immediately marry Charles Mathews. It seems less easy to establish the marriage to William West. Boase [6] states that her marriage to Hoyt was her first. But if Boase is correct on her dates (1806-1866) she was 47 when marrying Hoyt (who would have been 25) and so there would have been plenty of time for a previous marriage and son born 1850. Are there any other sources for the marriage to West? Cusop Dingle (talk) 16:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the problem. The biography already used as a source covers all this. DrKiernan (talk) 18:28, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that one source, Boase, contradicts another, DNB. Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, right. Does Charles Dickens, Jr.'s Life of Charles James Mathews say anything? DrKiernan (talk) 18:49, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There's a very brief mention at the National Portrait Gallery. DrKiernan (talk) 18:53, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I found nothing relevant in the Life. The NPG web page cites no authority and does not commend itself by giving Davenport's initials incorrectly as F.H. rather than A.H. Cusop Dingle (talk) 20:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]