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Wasn't there a .22LR trainer model?

== Did Italy really revert to the 6.5mm long rifle in 1941??? Didn't they have 6.5mm carbines???

There was a very rare cadet rifle during WW I which does not warrant mention in a general article. The WW II moschetti balilla were not in .22 lr.

As to the M 91/41 long rifle: yes and yes.

Photo[edit]

I understand the historical significance of Oswald's Carcano rifle of course, but does anyone have a better photo of a Carcano? One that shows better detail and isn't so dark? Thanks! Engr105th (talk) 08:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

better photo found on the commons and added SJSA 02:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Finally someone added a good photo of the M 91 long rifle, which is a way can be considered to be the ancestor. Thanks! Alexander 11 June 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.159.252.43 (talk) 01:03, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Youth Carbine[edit]

Perhaps there should be some reference to the youth carbine variants. 68.113.47.102 (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

8mm German Conversions[edit]

I've read in a number of reputable sources that the germans actually rechambered many carcano's to 8mm Mauser, a process which occasionally involved stamping the waffenamp on the rifle and placing a wooden stop in the magazine. From what I understand the Germans had sufficient Carcano ammunition to last them, and they didn't really pursue the conversion with much vigour. Added a small bit in there about this. Correct me if I'm wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.0.77.240 (talk) 05:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are wrong. See the pertinent articles in forums.gunboards.com on the 8mm conversions. Very few were German, most are post-war Italian for export (probably to Egypt resp. the United Arab Republic). Alexander Eichener

I have heard orally from a few old Israelis that a quantity of Carcano 8mm conversions were acquired by Jewish settlements in post WWII Mandate Palestine. They were purchased as "decoy" weapons. The British often unfairly disarmed Jewish settlements while laying off the Muslim Palestinians. The Carcanos were often cached poorly so the British patrols would fins and confiscate them. The settlers would act distressed begging the British not to take their rifles and leave them open to slaughter. The British would feel they'd done their days work and depart. Leaving behind the Enfields and Mausers buried deeper. those Carcanos that escaped detection were kept as reserve weapons, but I haven't seen any evidence that they were actually used operationally. Nonagon

mixed ammo[edit]

At least one small arms authority noted inconsistencies in powder types in arsenal-loaded 6.5x52mm military ammunition, often with different powder types and ammunition lots intermixed within a single clip of ammunition.[1] The practice of intermixing powder types and ammunition lots in clipped rifle ammunition was generally avoided by arsenals of other nations, as it generally resulted in varying bullet velocities and excessive bullet dispersion on the target.

I believe from reading Dunlap and others that this was not the result of manufacturer packaging of mixed ammo, but from the Italian Army re-packaging ammunition from partially-used mixed lots of ammunition recovered in the field after service issue. (In US usage "arsenal" implies the ammunition manufacturer (like Lake City ammunition stamped LC). Naaman Brown (talk) 13:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image[edit]

I dont understand why the image of the original '91 rifle has been removed and substitute with a link to photo of the Carcano model 1938....--Ricce (talk) 14:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kennedy assassination rifle[edit]

The Carcano carbine used to assassinate Kennedy is unquestionably the most famous and most studied individual firearm in history. It merits more than simply a "see also" entry. Using WP:SUMMARYSTYLE, I drafted a short paragraph covering some of the key points, incorporating some text I found in a previous version. Rezin (talk) 17:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Effective Range[edit]

1000yd seems quite generous, I take effective range to mean the range at which the rifle was designed to be shot at and where an average man could be expected to achieve reasonable accuracy and the bullet would have the desired effect on target. This includes a number of considerations such as sighting, ergonomics and mechanical accuracy. The Carcano is able to make hits out to 1000yd, but not optimised to fire at man sized targets at this range particularly not in the hands of an average soldier.

The effective range is probably more like 500yd, like the M1 Garand, K98k and Lee-Enfield rifle articles on wiki, all of these rifles have been used by generations of target shooters to hit out to 1000yd, yet the effective range is actually more like 500yd (the K98k maybe even more like 350yd with those iron sights), this is the range at which the sights (and other aspects) of the rifle are optimised to engage at. So if there are no objections I'd like to change the effective range to from 1000yd to 500yd, as this seems more realistic. (Fdsdh1 (talk) 19:44, 29 May 2017 (UTC))[reply]

  • I think that's fair enough. Then again, the entire "maximum range" and "effective range" thing is very hard to quantify, apart from such issues as maximum safety ranges if fired at a steep angle. Thom430 (talk) 21:18, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But the actual shape...[edit]

The intro of the article states: but the actual shape and design of the Carcano clip is derived from the German Model 1888 Commission Rifle.

Not to go all "actually", but isn't the Gewehr 88 a Mannlicher-derived weapon (or at least, magazine action), so much so that the Germans had to pay royalties and allow Mannlicher to build it for export?

Thom430 (talk) 21:21, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Carcano[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Carcano's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Bishop":

  • From M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle: Bishop, Chris: The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II, p. 239. Sterling Publishing, 2002.
  • From Beretta Model 38: Bishop, Christ (2002). The Encyclopedia of Weapons of WWII: The Comprehensive Guide to over 1,500 Weapons Systems, Including Tanks, Small Arms, Warplanes, Artillery, Ships, and Submarines. Metrobooks. p. 262. ISBN 1-58663-762-2.
  • From M1 Garand: Bishop, Chris (2002). The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II. Sterling Publishing. p. 223. ISBN 978-1-58663-762-0.

Reference named "Smith":

Reference named "Jones":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Data not mentioned in bio or nomenclature on the M91/38[edit]

I own a Carcano M91/38 Calvery with matching dates and serial numbers. There are several markings and dates that are not referenced The sling is a side stock mount and the barrel has a retractable tapered V shaped bayonet. Under the Gardon,V.T. stamping on the barrel there is a crown with the letters R E under it and on the bolt the word ROCCA and on the bolt handel is a 5 point star with a C above it. What I think is the most interesting mark on the receiver is the very professional stamp 

"P.W.Arms Redmond,WA."I

Are there any references to these markings and what do they signify ? Sonny7491 (talk) 17:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It’s the importer and dealers import stamp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.212.150.34 (talk) 17:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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