Talk:Candlepin bowling

Ten-pin bowling peer review

The article Ten-pin bowling is currently undergoing a peer review to bring it up to featured article status. As others who are interested in bowling, I invite you to leave your comments--Danaman5 04:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Candlepin bowling =/= 10-pin bowling. 24.218.147.30 (talk) 01:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

External links

Is there a reason I'm not aware of that the link to the Internation Candlepin Bowling Association (ICBA) was removed and replaced with a link to the Western New England Candlepin Association? The ICBA is the larger group, more inclusive of the subject as a whole, and generally regarded as the authority on candlepin rules, standards, and certification. If there's no argument, I'm going to restore the link. Thanks! Mary quite contrary 19:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

adding it back sounds good to me, but should probably leave the WNE link too... Any idea why the dmoz link got pulled? I don't like uncommented edits by ip numbers removing content... -- Akb4 08:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Done, and restored the dmoz link as well. --Mary quite contrary ^(hai?) 21:54, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

dmoz

who keeps removing the dmoz link? they are using an ip address and don't appear to be editing any other articles, at least from there. what do we do about this? while I'm on the topic, shouldn't that link go to the dmoz directory page instead of the faq? The faq isn't big; we could probably incorporate any info that it has that we don't already have... -- Akb4 08:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

ok, it's ugly but I put a note up to look here before removing the dmoz link. Let's see if it happens again. Hey, you, please stop removing that link without talking about it here. -- Akb4 07:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

the link list on this page is so far outdated, it's amazing. Each of the pages on the "dmoz link" has been left as is for several years, therefore it does not belong here. Questions? I can answer them: webmaster@candlepingallery.org Candlepinbruce 14:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

section removed

I have pulled the section "World Candlepin Bowling", which presented the top teams of 2006 and 2007.
The problem is that the league is not identified; some web searching implies that the A+ Accounting team was competing in "Oland's Commercial Men's Pro League" ([1]). It's unclear to me how many leagues there are, how many categories within them (men's, women's, team, individual), and how wikipedia handles sports results, but I'm pretty sure that just listing two winning teams from a not clearly identified and described league isn't a great plan. This article is also getting pretty long, so if we're going to include results, they probably should get their own article. Here's the content I pulled:

The 2006 World Candlepin Bowling Champions from Nova Scotia

Halifax Fairlanes A+ Accounting

Doug Blackler

Todd Harrison

Gerry Dunn

John Harrietha

Matt Harnett

Matt McPhee

Matt Leblanc

Nate Leblanc

The 2007 World Candlepin Bowling Champions

The Churchill Drivers

Tony Hamilton

Matt Harley

Kathleen Holland

Jeff LeBrun

Ryan Monminie

Jeff Murray

Shannon Sinclair

Brett Spicer

-- Akb4 06:19, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The World Candlepin Bowling Championships is a week long tournament, held yearly. Site alternates between the US and Canada. Last year, it was held in Bangor, ME. The teams listed above competed in this tournament. Questions? I can answer them. webmaster@candlepingallery.com Candlepinbruce 15:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The world candlepin bowling tournament is a mens tournament I have edited and added the correct information for 2007.

The 2007 World Candlepin Bowling Champions. MacLaughlin Truck and trailer of halifax ns.

1.  O'Flaherty, Sean
2.  Birchell, Pat
3.  Somerton, Davey
4.  Henderson, Rob
5.  Hollett, Chris
6.  Carrigan, Tim   
7.  MacLaughlin, Tony

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.171.231.82 (talk) 10:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

"wood" vs. "dead wood"?

In Maine, I don't think I've ever heard the term "wood" used without "dead" in front of it. Felled pins are "dead wood". Is this different elsewhere? Or should all occurrences of "wood" be changed to "dead wood"? 12:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.204.183.50 (talk)

Wood in play is referred to as simply, "wood." If it's in the gutter, it's "dead wood" as it's not in play. For more information on candlepin bowling, please go to www.candlepingallery.org. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.255.143 (talk) 19:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

slang terms removed

• Goll Roll: Slang for the sound of the ball rolling down the alley.
• Glung Glung Glung: Slang for the sound of a bunch of pins falling, mainly a strike.

These were removed by me (THREE TIMES) as they do not fall in any common vernacular and/or candlepin slang of which I'm aware. If you have proof they're widely used, I'd like to see it. PLEASE DO NOT ADD THEM IN AGAIN...THEY ARE NOT COMMON SLANG TERMS. Questions? I can answer them: webmaster@candlepingallery.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by Candlepinbruce (talk • contribs) 18:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like to concur with Bruce...I grew up in a Candlepin-bowling family (my dad bowled professionally in the 1980s, even), and I have never heard the two above terms used in any candlepin context. Just wanted to put in my 2¢ on the matter --EmiOfBrie (talk) 02:08, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

• Glant Ant: Sound of a hammer (strike).
• Goll Roll: The ball rolling.

These were removed by me today, July 18, 2008. They do not fall into any common vernacular and/or candlepin slang of which I'm aware. STOP POSTING THESE TERMS!!!!!!!!!! Questions: webmaster@candlepingallery.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by Candlepinbruce (talk • contribs) 14:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

These terms have been around since the 1970's and are used in all of Maine candlepin bowling centers and some from NH. Whereas maybe they shouldn't be included because lots of Massachusetts bowlers have not heard of these, they are more common than some terms (like Emily, no bowling uses that term anymore) and I would be of some help to you if you'd like to write me about them. I figured I'd try and re-post them to see if anyone else on Wiki knew the terms, but I see no one has. I myself will keep them off the board until I can find a bowling center owner to maybe let in on these terms with me. Tip Ipp Ippp (talk) 03:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you find a written source? You could get all the bowling center owners in Maine to agree that these terms are in use, but that would be less useful, for our purposes, than one newspaper article. If someone can dig up a source for the terms mentioned, I see no reason they shouldn't be included in the article-- but they should be listed as regionally used terms, not as jargon universal to the sport. --Fullobeans (talk) 04:15, 18 November 2008

Well I do know the person that coined these terms, he is from Maine. If I can get in touch with him and we can get some writing from the Maine centers (and Bowl O Rama and Exeter Lanes in NH), then maybe we can get these down here. I'll try my best! Any questions write to me. Tip Ipp Ippp (talk) 04:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

But we'd need proof that they are in wide use, for example, news stories, press releases, game recaps, the terms' use in televised contests, stuff like that. Anyone can make up a term, but it takes more than just a few people to consider the term to be in wide use. --EmiOfBrie (talk) 00:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

See WP:V for information on the types of sources that are acceptable. --Fullobeans (talk) 00:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Still trying to get help! Might take me some time. Tip Ipp Ippp (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

These seem to keep on getting added and removed. I've marked them as disputed for now, but really if someone thinks they should be there, there should be a source for them. (And really, there should be sources for other items in the list, and for many other things in the article.) --PeterCooperJr (talk) 11:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I think all these terms need to be sourced somehow although all the ones that are listed are indeed used, and I'd like to fight with the two terms that keep getting erased as, yes, they are common terms used. I owned a bowling center once in Oxford, Maine the list of bowling jargon was posted on the wall and photocopied for at least 25 other bowling centers around two other states and Canada Provinces. If those two can't be included (guessing the people deleting them are no where's near from New England) then the whole jargon shouldn't be included until we all get some sources listed. Edge of Water (talk) 17:39, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Just my experience...

About 20 years ago, I visited my grandparents in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. While I was there, I wanted to experience some candlepin bowling (I'm a ten-pin bowler myself from Hawaii.) I had a lot of fun, and wanted to tell my friends and bowling colleagues about it back at home. I asked the manager where I could purchase a ball and candlepin, so that I can take it back with me. He said I wasn't allowed to purchase either items. His reason was that candlepin enthusiasts want to keep the sport as-is, and did not want the sport - as I adlib what his intent was - to spread to Hawaii and become a common sport like ten-pin bowling. I haven't ran into anyone involved with candlepin bowling ever since. Is this elite-like attitude a common thing among candlepin enthusiasts? Or, was it just his own personal preference? I always wondered about that. I didn't read about anything regarding the sport becoming mainstream, so that's why I'm asking here. Groink (talk) 10:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

"Super Bowl" vs. "Superbowl"

I wish someone had video from the Candlepin Superbowl so my point could be proven. I constantly see edits that split the words up, when in fact WCVB spelled it as one word (to avoid litigation from the NFL). I have been to tapings of the Superbowl, and the banner they placed at the end of the lanes (which they used to display until their shows moved to the Fairway) had "superbowl" spelled as one word. --EmiOfBrie (talk) 04:41, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Finally! Proof! From WCVB's website itself, actually. http://www.thebostonchannel.com/2007/0312/11233797_320X240.jpg -EmiOfBrie (talk) 20:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

What is the real history?

The article suggests that Justin White invented the game before Ten Pin, but some histories suggest that Ten Pin was well underway before Candlepin. http://www.ryanfamily.com/ryanhistory.html says Candlepin was invented as a more challenging alternative to Ten Pins, while http://www.bowlcandlepin.com/history.htm suggests that White's version of candlepin was inspired by other pins he found in the bowling center he just bought (meaning that someone earlier was already on the Candlepin track?)

I'm not particularly passionate about one version of history over another, but the article currently makes it a development race between Candlepin and Ten Pin, and the histories out there don't support that version of events.

funchords (talk) 21:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Harder to knock down?

"the pins are thinner, and thus harder to knock down"

Has this been verified by research?

ISTM there are factors contributing both ways to the difficulty of knocking down pins. Making it easier:

• less massive
• thinner, so the centre of gravity has less far to go (though I haven't made out how the base diameter compares to that of a tenpin)
• higher centre of gravity

Making it harder:

• smaller ball
• thinner pins mean less chain reaction

— Smjg (talk) 12:26, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Just look at the scoring. Professional candlepin averages tend to range in the 120-140 area, whereas normal pro tenpin averages tend to be more around 250. Also, no one has ever bowled a perfect 300 in candlepin in any verifiable game, whereas perfect 300s are common in tenpin. -EmiOfBrie (talk) 19:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

It's indisputably harder to knock multiple pins down, but it may be easier to knock an individual pin down, which I think is what the comment was getting at. --Mr Wednesday (talk) 23:50, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Quebec?

I am from Lac-St-Jean and I have never seen this here... nor ever heard of it. Has anyone in Quebec actually seen it played anywhere? 69.9.97.207 (talk) 11:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I've never seen it (or heard about it) in the Montreal area either... --209.195.82.97 (talk) 16:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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Removal of "played in California and Germany"

I have removed the claim that it's played in Germany and California because: (a) The quoted website is gone (and using wayback machine reveals that that page, too, only said "played in such diverse places as California and Hanover Germany." (https://web.archive.org/web/20150510122621/http://www.ficcosbowl.com/about_candlepin.html), with no further proof. (b) I found no other references about such a game being available in Germany. (c) I am German, and while I've seen and played plenty of Bowling and Kegel (9 pin) alleys, I've never heard of Candlepin alleys over here. Therefore, the claim it's played in Germany is far fetched. Maybe there is one place in Germany that has it, but it's not as if it's common over here, to the point that it should be suggested like that in this article, as it did. Tempel (talk) 15:35, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

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Split proposal

I propose that the section Television broadcasts be split into a separate page called Candlepin bowling on television. The section is large enough and notable enough to make its own page. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 15:34, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

User:Mvcg66b3r I support moving the "broadcast" material to a separate article, even if only to remove unsourced overly-detailed spam-like material from this article. I've tried finding reliable sources for candlepin content, but it's hard to come by. —RCraig09 (talk) 03:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@RCraig09: Did just that. Feel free to edit the article further if you need to. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 06:44, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mvcg66b3r: Thank you. Things happen at lightning speed around here, don't they? ;-) —RCraig09 (talk) 16:38, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Fill for strike or spare on scoresheet

So I've noticed two methods for marking a strike or spare on a scoresheet:

Method 1 (examples http://www.bowlnh.com/how_to_score.htm, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AbbdIR3KwA)

Example: Get a spare, on the next ball you get 4 pins. Mark the box with triangle in upper left corner, fill with 4. This is what I did in the svg since it's what I've seen and what I've always done. This is also what the description seems to suggest.

However, since then, I've noticed the following:

Method 2 (examples http://www.mainecandlepinbowling.com/scoring.htm, http://www.masscandlepin.com/basics.html) (actually they use the same example)

Example: Get a spare, on the next ball you get 4 pins. Mark the box with triangle in upper left corner, write 14 instead. But I've personally never seen this done. Has anybody seen this? Bitethesilverbullet (talk) 01:37, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

So I looked around and I can't find any other examples of people doing it the second way. Bitethesilverbullet (talk) 15:28, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Whoever made the examples wasn't being consistent either. See http://www.mainecandlepinbowling.com/scoringhighstring.htm, boxes 2 and 7 where the fills for the spares are 7 and 4 (instead of 17 and 14 if they were being consistent). So "Method 2" probably isn't a real thing, just a mistake. In trying to sort this out, I did come across '/' and 'X' being used for spares and strikes like in ten-pin (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFxqwlg1C3M (this video also shows a string with consecutive marks, it's interesting), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gdir5s5-MI) which I hadn't seen before. I'm guessing it's not common, less common than the triangles in the corners at least. Bitethesilverbullet (talk) 23:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Just to respond to this... although it really isn't completely "wrong" to do method #2, it's also very rare to see. In actuality, the only time you should write a 14 or whatever fill is thrown is when you are working on a double strike. I wouldn't change anything on the page though, because lots of people change lots of stuff here even though I know most of the editors are NOT from New England. 73.149.191.188 (talk) 17:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

ordering of fouling and scoring sections

After reading the "fouling" section of the article, then when I started reading the "scoring" section, I felt like it was repeating what I obviously already had learned from reading the "fouling" section.

It seems to me like it would make more sense to provide basic scoring first (that is, scoring in the absence of any fouls), and subsequently to explain how fouls affect scoring.

I'm not offering to make this change, just observing that it seems kind of peculiar in its current form. Fabrickator (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2022 (UTC)