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GA Review

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Righty-ho, I am reading through now and am making straightforward changes as I go. Please revert any where I inadvertently change the meaning. Queries below. Also, don't automatically do what I suggest - if you think otherwise please say so and we can discuss. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

• I reorganized the Origin of the term for flow - the natural flow being what it means, and then how long it's been around for, and then discussing proposed origins. I felt this flowed better than leaping into conjecture straightaway. I'd also add something about how the term is not breed-specific.

On the "breed-specific" issue, within WPEQ, we actually DO classify the feral horse groups as "breeds" for lack of a better term (landrace may be close, but not quite right, either) -- they may have started out as mixed ancestry, but usually a few generations of natural selection has adapted them as well or better than a lot of human-created "breeds" (long story there about when some farm's crossbred gets to be a "breed" on wiki too, but that's a different issue) So essentially, we treat these feral groups as a proper noun, not a generic term (similar situation with Mustang article in the USA) Montanabw^(talk) 08:02, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that's cool. Despite living here, my knowledge on brumbies is limited :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

• Also, given the conjectural nature of the derivations/origins, I think these really warrant references. Something a mischievous IP could have fun with in the future otherwise....

Added some more refs, not sure if this is what you needed... ? Montanabw^(talk) 08:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Oooh yes, thanks, and much needed. Dang, Baramba(h Creek) has really cool organic milk in my fridge as well as a local species of hibiscus named...must try and blue link one day (OT) Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

• Which Tick fever is being referred to here?

Source cited for that sentence doesn't mention tick fever, so cut it. Montanabw^(talk) 07:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Follow up: Was actually in next sentence's source, so tweaked to re-add there. And source just says "tick fever." Montanabw^(talk) 07:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

• Any specific examples of flora/fauna threatened would be good. If none, don't worry

Will check other online sources to see if this can be refined. Montanabw^(talk) 07:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Follow up: on a cursory glance, the source material that I can access online is not very specific. Montanabw^(talk) 07:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

• Formatting the references with cite web, and cite book formats is a very good idea. This encourages one to be thorough with extra information such as publisher, work (= website that the page is a part of) and other parameters. I will do a few later on as I have to sign off in a minute. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Overall, I think it is heading towards a pass - will help out in a few hours. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:49, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I haven't seen Cg online for a few days, Cas, but I will try to fix anything simple, some of this material will have to be Cg's fix, however, as I don't have access to the source material. If Cg doesn't pop up within a few days, let me know and I'll do what I can for backup... Cg put a lot of work into the upgrade for GA and I'm just one of the cheerleaders! Montanabw^(talk) 07:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Let me know if you do need me to dive in and help! Montanabw^(talk) 08:36, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

More stuff:

• In the Origin of feral herds section, it would be good to find out how far feral horses roam. e.g. do the herds in the Northern territory originate from ther, or have they migrated from Queensland or even NSW? (unlikely but would be good to source and spell out).

Cas, will generic stats about feral horses in general work, or do you want/need Brumby-specific stuff? I can't do Brumby-specific, Cg will have to look, but I have a source for horses in wild conditions generally. The short answer is "horses in the wild roam up to 50 miles per day in search of food and water, and will follow available forage. Montanabw^(talk) 00:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. I guess it depends in part on whether behaviour exhibited by wild horses in Australia is different to other parts of the world. Might have to think on that one until more info arises....Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:53, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

• For this - A NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service cull during 2006 and 2007 in Kosciuszko National Park resulted in a reduction of 64 horses - a non-reliable source is used. i.e. this website - I think linking directly to the pdf of the newspaper is better...but that says 27 horses in one bit. Would be better with something from the NPWS. found a better one myself - the reference also has some good material for other parts of the article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:57, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, fumbling in pockets for criteria....aaah, here they are....

1. Well written?:

Prose quality:

Manual of Style compliance:

2. Factually accurate and verifiable?:

References to sources: - just one fact to find and you're home

Citations to reliable sources, where required:

No original research:

3. Broad in coverage?:

Major aspects:

Focused:

4. Reflects a neutral point of view?:

Fair representation without bias:

5. Reasonably stable?

No edit wars, etc. (Vandalism does not count against GA):

6. Illustrated by images, when possible and appropriate?:

Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

• Images need WP:ALT text. Not a biggie though

Will plug away at that a bit. Montanabw^(talk) 04:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Overall:

Pass or Fail: - nearly there, just one fact to find and you're home. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

• I tossed the reference to the term in US English. On a cursory look, I can't find a source, so if anyone thinks its a big deal, someone else can find the source. It sort of smacked of OR to me, but you never know. Montanabw^(talk) 04:36, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Well done :) - might be worth noting the removed text on the talk page in case a soruce ever turns up...might be true...anyways, well done :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:15, 17 January 2010 (UTC)