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Slightly TOO detailed?[edit]

Whilst the hard work put in to expanding this article- I believe undertaken mostly (if not entirely) by Elisa Rolle- is praiseworthy and impressive, I cannot but feel that the key personages in this group are now buried amongst innumerable other people who were barely involved at all (as indicated by one-off newspaper articles making reference to them in many cases), to the extent that an interested individual, on coming to this article, would likely be overwhelmed by the list of names and not know what to do with it all. I think a top section- listing a set of names like that in the 13th January 2018 edit- would be beneficial, as it gives the names of the first- and second-tier (i.e. most prominently involved/ generally famous) people that participated in the whole thing. I have the impression that when one goes to the article of, for example, Helen D'Abernon (who would have been about sixty at the time), and not one single mention of her involvement in the Bright Young Things appears, her involvement cannot really have been that major, and so there's little benefit to equating her with people like Babe Plunkett-Greene or Elizabeth Ponsonby, who organised numerous events and appear in virtually every source on the subject, or their notable contemporaries with whom they associated, like Anthony Powell, Inez Holden, etc etc. I mean, Clement Attlee? A hedonistic 1920s aristocrat-about-town? I think not! Attendance at one bash does not a Bright Young Person make, for my money. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.201.11 (talk) 23:03, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Book titles[edit]

Per MOS:ITALIC, all the book titles in the "Characterization" column should really be in italics. I'll probably get around to doing it eventually, unless anyone else is feeling keen? DH85868993 (talk) 06:43, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done. DH85868993 (talk) 13:33, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Basis of inclusion[edit]

The basis of inclusion in the "List of 'Bright Young Things' and their associates" needs clarification. A substantial number of those in the list don't seem to have a real reason for inclusion.

The opening sentence states that the term "Bright Young Things" "was a nickname given by the tabloid press to a group of Bohemian young aristocrats and socialites in 1920s London", but many in this long list are hardly what would have been considered young in the 1920s. A number appear to be listed on the basis of them being the hosts or hostesses of some of the events that the BYTs attended, but inclusion on this basis would mean that pretty much any member of the high society or the aristocracy could be included. A number appear to be listed because they were caricatured by Antony Wysard, but not all of his caricatures are of BYTs and many of them are from the 1930s. Some are listed because they were in Cecil Beaton's Book of Beauty, but this lists some classical beauties from an earlier age as well and others from outside Britain. Some seem to be listed because they were the basis of characters in Anthony Powells A Dance to the Music of Time novels, but that sequence covers a period from the 1920s to the 1970s and only the first couple of books and parts oo two others are set in the 1920s, a number of the characters referenced don't appear until later in the narrative or have been aged to make them older than the real life inspiration (e.g. both Mark Members and Pamela Flitton are older than Stephen Spender and Barbara Skelton):

Based on age, the following do not seem eligible for BYT classification:

The following seem to be too young to meet the criteria:

Others whose inclusion needs explanation:

The list needs a good pruning.--DavidCane (talk) 16:01, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed all of those above in the first two groups, though a number of others remain that don't appear to belong.--DavidCane (talk) 12:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid any edits you have been made have been reinstated. And so we have the elderly Elgar and babe-in-arms George Lascelles back in the list. Quite what "their associates" in the list heading is meant to mean is anyone's guess, other than allow allcomers to join it. Augustusr (talk) 16:08, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As of 2023 MANY in the list were never BYTs. It was a fairly small group - reading newspaper articles of the time - very few of these names occur. I think the article needs to define the group by age/documented behaviors etc. I am not sure why folks would add many of these individuals. BeingObjective (talk) 05:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just came across this list - wanted to note that we have Leo Amery (who was in his fifties and a Cabinet minister in the 1920s) as well as his son John (who might be a bit young for the group, but is at least more plausible). Harold Wilson is also quite an odd inclusion - throughout the 1920s he was still a scholarship boy at school in Huddersfield, so even allowing for age he definitely doesn't seem to fit the cultural mileu. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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