Talk:Brian Wilson (album)

Claim confirmation?

I'm not sure if the lines below are accurate, but if so, they certainly need to be rewritten.

"Walkin the line" is co-written by Gary Usher but for some reason uncredited. It was the finest result of the Wilson/Usher sessions back in 1987! Nobody knows what Nick Laird-Clowes had to do with that Song.

BlackTerror 01:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

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"Executive Producer".

Not only was Eugene Landy credited as a co-writer on several songs, but originally he was listed as the sole "Executive Producer"! This tends to go unreported, but it's probably pretty significant -- I imagine an "Executive Producer" gets a pretty fat royalty percentage.

Do I need a citation to add this to the article?
--63.25.26.25 (talk) 22:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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The album, which cost $1 million to produce, was the first written and produced by Wilson since The Beach Boys Love You (1977).

Didn't Brian write and produce Adult/Child between Love You and his s/t debut album? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.49.47.115 (talk) 14:29, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Adult/Child was never an official album. ili (talk) 17:15, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Brian Wilson (album)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 20:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Infobox

• Needs alt
• The source of the recording dates should also be in the body of the article along with the source
• Same for ALL the studios
• No source for genre, should be in the body of the article
• Labels should also be referenced in the body of the article, next to the release date

Lead

• Brian Wilson is the first solo album → Brian Wilson is the debut studio album
• Two singles were issued: "Love and Mercy" and "Melt Away". → The album was promoted through the release of the singles "Love and Mercy" on July 1, 1988, and "Melt Away" on January 19, 1989.
• 54 in the U.S. → 54 in the US Billboard 200 + wikilink
• and failing to chart in the UK. → remove
• The LP' → The album's
• detractors → critics, right?
• A follow-up, Sweet Insanity, was co-produced with Landy but never officially released. Wilson continued recording with Paley after disassociating from Landy in 1991, but did not release a second solo album of new original material until Imagination (1998) → so imagination was the second studio album?

Background

• Include the note on the prose
• Wikilink Love You + release year in betwen brackets
• Same for note 2
• demos at Usher's studio → demos at the latter's studio

Collaborators

• The notes should be in the prose

Landy's disruptions

• Fine

Recording

• Put the references at the end of each sentence
• (equivalent to $2.29 million in 2021) → not sourced
• 'form any lasting new professional relationships.'" → "form any lasting new professional relationships."
• Brian Wilson took over a year to record – four times the span of time it took to record Pet Sounds. → Brian Wilson took over a year to record. (move it to the first paragraph)

Contents

• Rename the section to Music
• The samples need to have a text showing they are relevant to the article
• The images are not adding anything new to the article, remove them
• Instead of each song having three sentences. Three paragraphs would be enough; Tracks 1-4, Tracks 5-8, Tracks 9-11; for example
• The contents need to be summarised, including big quotes from Brian Wilson, sometimes it goes into much detail
• Other mentioned songs need release dates between brackets

Non-album singles and unreleased songs

• "Let's Go to Heaven in My Car", co-written with Usher, was issued as a single and appeared on the soundtrack of the film Police Academy 4 in March 1987 → doesn't explain why it wasn't included on the album.
• were released as downloadable tracks on Wilson's website → were released on Wilson's website to download. for free or purchase?
• Some mention of released songs, need their release dates in between brackets.
• Maybe summarize this more, mentioning songs that were included on the re-issue of the album in a paragraph and the ones that didn't make the cut in another paragraph

Release and aftermath

• Lead single "Love and Mercy" was issued on July 1, 1988 and failed to chart → "Love and Mercy" was issued on July 1, 1988, as the lead single and failed to chart.
• Released on July 12,[73] the album itself reached number 54 in the U.S. and failed to chart in the UK → The album was released on July 12, 1988, and reached number 54 in the U.S. Billboard 200.[73] + wikilink
• With 250,000 copies sold and 7,500 orders unfulfilled in its first week of release, the Los Angeles Times reported that the album had sold "too well", as demand had outpaced supply → In its first week of release, Brian Wilson sold 250,000 copies and had 7,500 orders unfulfilled. According to the Los Angeles Times, the album had sold "too well", as demand had outpaced supply.
• Music journalist David Cavanagh, who characterized Brian Wilson as "one of the longest awaited [albums] in rock 'n' roll history", wrote that,→ Music journalist David Cavanagh, characterized Brian Wilson as "one of the longest awaited [albums] in rock 'n' roll history". He wrote that
• was mailed to virtually every entertainment media outlet → was mailed to various entertainment media outlets.
• "Night Time", as Carlin describes → "Night Time". Carlin describes
• Second single "Melt Away" was issued in January 1989 and also failed to char → The second single, "Melt Away", was issued on January 19, 1989, and also failed to chart.
• Wilson continued recording with Paley after disassociating from Landy in 1991, but did not release a second solo album of new original material until Imagination (1998) → this doesn't make any sense, so did he or not released a second album?

Contemporary

• Not sure how the opinion of "Biographer Peter Ames Carlin" fits in this section
• "Wilson's clever, mostly upbeat ideas flow magnificently throughout the record, easily transcending his emotional madness. His introspective poems and barbershop harmonies are framed in a series of bouncy melodies that never take a trite or simple path. ... Just when you think you know where one of his songs may lead, he dips into another spacey progression, and the tune is launched again on a separate plane." → trim
• "Among the Beach Boys, their manager Tom Hulett reported in a 1988 interview that Wilson's bandmates were supportive of his endeavor. "I gave the album to each of them, and they were tickled to hear it. They were all positive about it." → this is so biased, doesn't belong here for sure
• Asked about the album in a 1992 interview, Wilson's bandmate and cousin Mike Love stated that he did not like it because of the lyrics, the non-"commercial" arrangements, and his opinion that "it sounded like shit compared to what [Brian] could sound like. → same as previous

Retrospective

• Writing in AllMusic, → Writing for AllMusic,
• "While he retained his gift for catchy melodies and dense, symphonic production, there was a forced stiffness to both the songwriting and execution. Much of the blame for the album's mixed success can be laid upon its sterile, synthesizer-laden arrangements and echoing percussion, which epitomized some of the less attractive aspects of late-1980s production." → trim
• unlistenable", but evidence for the fact "that his → unlistenable". However, his "
• "between moments of sweet, redemptive beauty and songs that were overwhelmed by their own ambition, to some that actually did combine the tacts of the past with the tools of the present into a wholly new sound. And then there were a few that seemed either so out of character or so desperate to be in character that they sounded like the product of extremely talented forgers." → trim

Legacy and influence

• Only the last paragraph belong here. Everything else is background of the album, per say including Paley and Wilson's opinion on the making of the album.

Track listing

• In 2000, Sire reissued the album through Rhino/Atlantic Records. It included the addition of two non-album single tracks, two non-album B-sides, four demos, two alternate mixes, one instrumental, and four interview clips. A similar track listing was adopted for their 2015 reissue, with the only difference being that the "hidden track" was given dedicated space as track 26, "Brian Fan Club X-Mas Message" → move to the release section

Personnel

• Adapted from the 2000 CD deluxe edition liner notes. → Credits adapted from the 2000 CD deluxe edition liner notes of Brian Wilson.
• Use {{Spaced en dash}}

Charts

• Use Template:Single chart

Notes

• Some of these notes can be included in the prose of the article

References

• Rename section to Citations, it will become a subsection of References
• Source check: 3, 4, 5, 17, 25, 73, 91
• Source 3 needs accessdate
• I have serious doubts about the reliability of the website albumlinernotes.com

Bibliography

• Fine

Further reading

• Fine

External links

• Fine

Overall

• There are two copyright problems. Violoation of 87.3% and another at 55.1%.
• There are two references above that can and should be used to further improve this article.
• ILIL There is a lot of work to be done with this article. However, I'm willing to give you an extended period of time to work on it. Let me know once you are done with it. I'll have to give it a second check. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 12:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
  • ILIL It has been te days, are you up for this? If not I'm afraid have to fail the article. Giving a two-week notice. Cheers, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:56, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
• MarioSoulTruthFan Sorry, I haven't had any free time lately and did not expect so many questions, suggestions and criticisms, especially after some dedicated Beach Boys fans and researchers—a group of people who, for whatever reason, seem to have an aversion to Wikipedia—had praised my expansions to this page in particular. I've brought at least a dozen articles to GA status and this is one of the more intensive and, with all due respect, slightly arbitrary evaluations I've ever gotten (example: changing "detractors" to "critics"—those two words have different meanings, and I purposely chose the word "detractors" to refer specifically to the critics who dislike the album, because using the more general term ("critics") would introduce a WP:SYNTH issue).

Unfortunately, there is no way I will be able to work on any GANs at this moment. Thanks for your patience. I will address the feedback from this review and make the necessary improvements at a later date. --ili (talk) 17:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

I strongly believe you calling the review "slightly arbitrary" is quite disrespectful, even if you claim otherwise. People disagree on certain aspects of the reviews, but one can always overcome such differences with some talk and explanation from both ends and even compromise here and there. If you were respectful you would keep those comments to yourself. I will fail the article per your request. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)