Talk:Breast binding/Archive 1

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Article needs grammar cleanup, additonal references, citations, and more. It also should probably be renamed "Binding (breast)" to support the disambiguation standard of naming. --GothAlice 10:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: removal of clothing-specific stub in favor of generic one -- I argue that this topic is clothing related, medical, and more of a gender/social issue than one of style. --GothAlice 21:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I am curious as to why sarashi redirects here considering I was looking for info on the male practice of rapping the torso for protection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.45.190.25 (talk) 04:04, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the automatic redirect is a bit odd, considering there is no substantial content related to sarashis (plural?) in this article. From a little initial investigation, they were primarily a supplemental armor for Samurai, with possible (though unsupported in my quick search) use as an imprompteau bra, primarily associated with both men and women in popular culture Anime where the purpose is not for cross-dressing, but rather as a character detail. Expansion is welcome, but I believe this article of Japanese clothing likely deserves its own article. --GothAlice (talk) 07:24, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

I've only recently also noticed that the floating categorization panel is restricted wholly to cross-dressing. While this article does contain content related to that primary topic, the purposes of breast binding have been varied over the ages are used for aesthetic appeal, medical applications, in addition to those who cross-dress or are trans or intersexed -- these are distinct roles which binding has been utilized for, but cross-dressing is hardly the "primary" use. --GothAlice (talk) 07:24, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: Changing MTF to FTM.

Changed MTF to FTM; it makes more sense that a FTM would be binding as an MTF would want to "pass" as female, I assume.

The sentance makes more sense as MTFs would wish to "continue" to appear male, while FTMs would like to appear male to begin with. I will add a clarifying example. --GothAlice 23:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

What's the name of that samurai underwear you occasionally see chicks or dudes wearing in, like, Rurouni Kenshin? Through the v-neck of the gi you can see some horizontal lines of white bandage, like.. some kinda wrappingbandagewrappings? Looks a lot like some kind of fundoshi look.. like Goemon Ishikawa's fundoshi travels a bit up his stomach... but this is on the chest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 06:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Sarashi? 202.156.11.10 (talk) 13:51, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

How

This section either needs cleanup or needs to go; I'm leaning toward the latter, since "Further Reading" provides much more in-depth information.

Either way, the section on using tape NEEDS to go or come with a heavy disclaimer-- NOT A GOOD IDEA.

I'll deal with it later when I'm not so busy, or someone else can. 207.5.220.249 (talk) 21:20, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

History

Many Catholic nuns up until the 1930s were required to wear a linen breast binding under their garments in addition to their everyday vestments. Clergy claimed that this measure was designed to eliminate any potential distraction that the nuns' breasts might cause. In many ecclesiastical specialty shops, it is still possible to purchase antique linen breast bindings that have been hand-embroidered with crosses.

This is interesting and potentially relevant, but the only source seems to be a site that connects bras with breast cancer, and since the original study was not peer-reviewed and probably bogus (http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/the-myth-of-bras-and-breast-cancer/) I'm hesitant to put it up. Anyone have a better source? Kith (talk) 21:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Separate Page for the Sarashi

The Japanese Sarashi is an item of clothing on its own with deep and rich history, and requires a WikiPage of its own rather than simply be relegated to being a Redirect to the over encompassing massive subject of Breast binding which is far larger than simple LGBT customs or a peculiar practice from history or a method of dress and fashion.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-K9gDKtO8KQU/T5Z5aF1cwDI/AAAAAAAAAmo/TldetUNslmk/s1600/Erza3.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.36.151 (talk) 21:44, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree that that would be nice, and I also believe that this article should be greatly expanded. I just don't have the sources to do any of that. ~Mable (chat) 22:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Could anybody Unlink(stop the redirecting [of] ) the search term "Sarashi" from this article, so that people may start working on the separate article on this item of clothing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.36.151 (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

You can simply edit this page. Remove the current "REDIRECT" link and put content in. I suggest you write a draft first or something like that, or at least that's what I usually do. ~Mable (chat) 13:33, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Photo was removed

I can't see any reason why the photo File:DeviantHenry - FTM trans.jpeg was removed. I've added it back in. -- Brainy J ~✿~ (talk) 04:58, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

File:Binder side.jpg was added by Peter Isotalo, and then removed by 71.52.73.169 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). I've added it back. -- User:Brainy J ✿ (talk) 03:00, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Removed this uncited claim.

In addition, many Catholic nuns up until the 1930s were required to wear a linen breast binding under their garments in addition to their everyday vestments. This measure was designed to eliminate any potential distraction that the nuns' breasts might cause. In many ecclesiastical specialty shops, it is still possible to purchase antique linen breast bindings that have been hand-embroidered with crosses.

If someone finds a good source, they can add it back to the article. -- User:Brainy J ✿ (talk) 05:32, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Mystifying. This was added in 2007 by an IP with a history of vandalism, and certainly has the whiff of a hoax. Wouldn't nuns have spent most of the time in their convents, surrounded only by other women? But there might be something to this. Here is a 2007 book that pre-dates the edit and mentions in passing that Catholic nuns used to have to bind their breasts, but it's not really about the topic. Here is another 2007 book that seems to support it, though I can't tell whether it pre-dates the Wikipedia edit (WP:CITOGENESIS). (This academic-looking encyclopedia says pretty much the same thing as our article, but the "source" it cites is a Buzzfeed article that says nothing about nuns.) I can't find a solid source that pre-dates the Wikipedia edit. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 04:36, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

This is a Guardian article linking it to the infamous Magdalene laundries in Ireland - though not specifically to the nun's who operated them. https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2003/feb/07/artsfeatures 2A00:23C5:2208:4600:913:EA9C:E28C:BD4E (talk) 12:26, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

should the main title be Breast Binding or Chest Binding?

More of the articles use the phrase chest binding than breast binding, but they are pretty evenly split. Which is the more common term? I think they are both accurate. Talib1101 (talk) 23:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I actually agree that it should be renamed and moved. "Chest binding" is far more popular as a term in the media than "breast binding." Iscargra (talk) 19:38, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for introducing this topic! I appreciate the question. I have found evidence on Google Trends that, as of 2015, "chest binding" has overtaken the other as the preferred term by far. The numbers show that "breast binding" is a less popular and possibly outmoded term. Besides sheer numbers, it also makes sense to me that 'chest' is used, because the word is less gendered and therefore can describe more types of people. I think it would be great to change the article to correspond to this. I'm editing on-the-go so I have to copy and paste the link below. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=Chest%20binding,Breast%20binding Evedawn99 (talk) 12:05, 2 June 2022 (UTC)