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Style[edit]

"...developed a love for Big fat weed", "...smoked Mary Jane during family gatherings..." - is that the style of an encyclopedia? I don't think so. If you don't mind, I will change it.

--91.113.125.219 (talk) 12:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Justifying heroin use[edit]

"Nowell claimed that his heroin use was justified" and so on — it would be interesting to see a source for this one, right now it looks like a rumour. Guinness man 19:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"VH1 behind the music - sublime... brad nowell's father states his sons justification for using heroin was to be more creative musically"

NOTE: I am the one who basically created the framework of this article. Though it has been edited by several people over the last year or so, I am for the most part the person who wrote this article. When I wrote this article I was new to Wikipedia and did not know about inserting references after major statements. Rather than doing that, I wrote the article out in the style of a review or a magazine article, and I placed the sources in the "external links" section. So, statements made in this article are indeed sourced; they just aren't sourced in the traditional Wikipedia style. They are found in the External Links section. Now that I know about proper statement citation, I will add them over the coming weeks. Can everyone please have some patience about this? This article was but a pitiful stub when I found it. My only intention was to give Brad and his fans (myself among them) something he deserves - a good article. This isn't an ego trip for me. If anyone else would come along and write a better article, and I'm sure others would be capable of it, I'd step aside and let them do that. So far, I'm basically the only person willing to devote extended periods of time to this article. So, please everyone, remember that Wikipedia thing about "assuming good faith", okay? Thanks. Andrew Parodi 11:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe too much in the intro paragraph?[edit]

Hey Andrew,

I see you really spent a lot of time on this article and props for that.

I wonder if the content in the intro paragraph, about comparaing to Kurt Cobain and all, is really left best fo a sub heading comparing the two artists. (and then there should maybe be a cross-reference on the Kurt Cobain page somewhere linking back to this brad nowell page?) I was going to put in the change myself, but thought it best to ask your opinion. --Mattarata 18:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the intro paragraphs are a bit long. The reason I made the Cobain comparison was to qualify the impact Bradley did have as opposed to the impact he was expected to have. That gives a way for readers to put in context the tragedy of his death. Whether people like Kurt Cobain or not, he was voted Artist of the Decade by Rolling Stone magazine, and his impact was huge. I think it's saying a lot that Time magazine suggested that Bradley Nowell may've been the "next" Kurt Cobain.

The other reason I think the comparison is important to make early on is because Bradley Nowell died before he even became famous. I mean, hand-in-hand with Bradley's fame is the awareness of his death and the impact of his death. Unlike Kurt Cobain, Bradley Nowell really didn't have the opportunity to become famous and establish a reputation before he died. For most of his fans, now, Bradley Nowell is known as the talented musician who died tragically before his time.

At any rate, if you decide to edit the introductory paragraphs, maybe you could lop off the third through fifth paragraphs and place them in another category further down the page. You're right that, for being introductory paragraphs, the following three paragraphs perhaps go too deeply into discussion of the comparison between Cobain and Nowell. But I think at least the first two paragraphs should stay, because the second paragraph ends with a description of what Nowell might have been had he not died.

And thanks for talking with me before any major changes. I'm certainly not the "owner" of this page, but you're right that I put a lot of work into it and it means a lot to me.

-- Andrew Parodi 23:50, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Brad," "Bradley," "Bradley Nowell," or "Nowell"?[edit]

Someone has been going through this article and changing the "Bradleys" and "Nowells" into "Brads." My thought is that since this is attempting to take the tone of an encyclopedia, he should be identified as "Bradley Nowell" in the beginning of the article and "Nowell" for the remainder of the article, except when in direct quotes by others he is referred to as "Brad" or "Bradley." Whatever the case, I'm too tired right now to go through and revert the article. But somehow I don't think calling him "Brad" is okay with this particular article. It makes it sound like we know him personally. I love the guy, but I never met him personally, so I don't feel comfortable referring to him as "Brad." Any thoughts? -- Andrew Parodi 19:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that all references in the main body should be as "Nowell" except for quotes. --Mattarata 18:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Attempting Clean-Up[edit]

I'm trying to clean this page up and expand it. Much of this page is written in reference to the only "good" and "extensive" article I can find online about Bradley Nowell -- this article from Rolling Stone: http://members.tripod.com/~Agaric40/info/lifeafterdeath.html I have placed this article in the "external links" area of this page. If anyone has more articles like this, please post them. -- Andrew Parodi 07:27, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Clean-up notice[edit]

I decided to remove the "clean-up" notice because I don't think it's necessary anymore. I'm basically working on this article every day, so I don't really think I need a reminder to work on it. -- Andrew Parodi 10:55, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Still cleaning[edit]

I think the article is starting to get to a point close to what I'd like it to look like. I think Brad deserves a good page, so I'm trying to provide him with that. Or, perhaps more accurately, we deserve a good page for Brad. I sure love this guy! -- Andrew Parodi 12:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RIP Your doing a good job dude a awesome sublime page brad would of loved to of seen it just as much as we would love to see him again.He was to good i suppose.......Anyway keep it up and i love the way you laid the page out class dude.Chris Donnelly -40oz to freedom-

Thanks. That's great to hear. -- Andrew Parodi 09:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Removed picture of him trying to eat his rabbit. Maybe you can find a better picture regarding his love of animals other than dinner. Maybe move one of the other pics up there, such as Nowell and his dog. Foolscape 20:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note. The picture this user refers to was found on a Sublime website. The image was not of Bradley Nowell "eating" his pet rabbit, but of him playing with his rabbit. The image underscores Bradley's love of animals, and it was used in the section of the article about his childhood. Further, as evidence of the acceptability of the image, the image in question has been reproduced in the sleeves and inserts of various official Sublime albums. Foolscape may think the image distasteful, but Nowell's heirs, Nowell's bandmates, and Nowell's label, found the image fit for publication -- as did I, which was why I had uploaded it here. I thought it was a beautiful picture that illustrated the playful and loving nature of a beautiful man. Andrew Parodi 11:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PS: The image in question can be found here: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/14/180px-Bradwithrabbit.jpg

Most Sublime fans know that Brad had a habit of expressing his affection for his pets in an unusual way. I've seen footage of him playing with Lou Dog, footage of Lou Dog licking Brad and Brad licking Lou Dog's tongue in return. Such footage is not hard to find. Go to YouTube and search for a video of Brad Nowell. Andrew Parodi 13:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man still going strong well done... Don't worry about not being into the band when they were playing you have done more than 80% of sublime fans out there.... question heard a rumor here in australia gwen staffani (spelling.. no doubt chick) is writing a book on brad is this true or just crap??? anyway takecare dude keep working ill keep checking lol looks great!! love you brad wish you were still here cause we like the music loud in this here band..-Chris Donnelly-

Yes, that's very true: by the time the vast majority of us became fans, Brad was already dead. Very sad. I wasn't a fan of Kurt Cobain during his life, but at least I knew who he was -- and I knew that when he died it was an important event (hard to miss it because it was all over the media). But with Brad, there was nothing. This concept of a pop/rock singer becoming famous after his/her death, it's a bit odd, like Eva Cassidy.

About a Stefani book, I wish she, or someone, anyone, would write a book about him. But I haven't heard anything.

I'm taking a break from editing this page for now, because I don't know what else to put for now. Some alterations and improvements can probably be made eventually, but I need a break right now. Thanks for the compliments and support. -- Andrew Parodi 12:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

P.O.V??[edit]

His post-death musical prosperity set an example for all musicians across the world and will carry on through generations until the collaps of mankind. His passion is our passion

Yea that part right there is obvious bias. I am taking it out. Bill102 14:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant.[edit]

Isn't stating that he "died as the result of a fatal heroin overdose" a bit redundant? If it wasn't a fatal dose, he wouldn't have died. 65.189.210.173 21:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's redundant. But such is Wikipedia. I'm the one who originally wrote the sentence, then someone else came along and edited in the "fatal dose" bit, and now we have a redundant sentence. Edit it out of you like. Andrew Parodi 00:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Death[edit]

"It was said that he was so addicted and wanted such a high, that he injected the heroin into his head." This sentence sounds to me like speculation. If so than it should be removed. If it is not than it should be rephrased for clarity. Anybody know? Jdt2858 04:22, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That one slipped in while I wasn't looking. Please delete it. Andrew Parodi 04:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Sublimecoverbradleyback.jpg[edit]

Resolved

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Fair use rationale for Image:Sublime.jpg[edit]

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Fair use rationale for Image:Sublimecoverbradleyback.jpg[edit]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:45, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

dangling[edit]

"Following Nowell's 1996 death, Lou Dog was cared for by his mother. Lou Dog died on September 17, 2001."

I assume we mean that Lou Dog was cared for by Nowell's mother, not by his own mother. But since I have no way of knowing this for sure, I'm making a smart-ass comment on the talk page.

Merry X-mas.

Richard Paez 97.102.236.23 (talk) 19:11, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

popular culture: [spunge][edit]

The song "Some Suck, Some Rock" by [spunge], from their "That Should Cover It" album, references Bradley and Sublime twice. One of the verses talks of a band who are to "... hit the big time real soon, 'til they find the singer dead in the hotel room", while the bridge talks of those rare artists who you really wish you'd seen but missed out on, and ends with the lines "for me that's Sublime and Bradley, think it's such a shame I'll never see that band play". [spunge] quote Sublime as one of their biggest influences (yep, citation needed), and have covered Santeria on their "Room for Abuse" album.

Is this suitable for inclusion in the references in popular culture section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.104.3.125 (talk) 22:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

External links[edit]

Hi, I recently cleaned up this article's external links section in accordance with our guidelines and there were some reliable sources that didn't belong in there but would be useful for anyone looking for references to expand the article. I'll list them here if anybody wants to use them.

Them From Space 06:22, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Thanks so much for providing these links. I found it very difficult to find reliable sources about Brad, most of them are fan pages, so these are a great help. I will incorporate these into the article. I really appreciate your help. Basilisk4u (talk) 08:24, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bipolar disorder not mentioned[edit]

? 2601:152:4C81:FE20:C8F4:1D46:29E4:C63B (talk) 14:08, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying Nowell had bipolar disorder? Do you have a source for that claim that we could use in the article? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 14:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]