Talk:Black and White (1999 drama film)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merged with 2000 entry.

• Having reviewed the official Wikipedia guidelines at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FilmRelease, I've decided to merge this article with the duplicate one at Black and White (2000 film) on the grounds that:

1) IMDb and other reputable websites all list this movie as 1999, and not 2000.

2) Wikipedia guidelines at the above URL state that the important date is "The film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival or a public release." As this movie was first shown at a 1999 film festival, then its earliest release was in 1999, and this should be reflected in the title of the Wikipedia entry.

The 1999 article has been edited to reflect the fact that the 1999 release was limited to two screenings at film festivals, and that the widespread theatrical release did not take place until 2000. Hopefully, this will prevent any further "edit wars" over the release date. Sandi saraya (talk) 18:49, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was: Withdrawn. Station1 (talk) 23:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Black and White (1999 film) → Black and White (2000 film) — per WP:NCF when a dab is required use the date of public release excluding festivals, in this case 2000[1]. This will also free up 1999 for use of the badly dabbed "(1999 film/II)" Station1 (talk) 20:55, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

• Black and White (1999 film/II) → Black and White (1999 ? film) [Proposal amended - see below.]

It seems that this is an invalid proposal, as the IMDb entry for this movie shows that it did have it's general public release in 1999, and not not 2000 as stated above (IMDb shows UK release was in October 1999). So any such proposed move would be contrary to the guideline stated above (The guideline says first public release, not the US public release...). And as this movie had it's release before the existing "(1999 film/II)", the current article namings are correct and should not be changed in the way you propose. Sandi saraya (talk) 22:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, you are absolutely right! I could swear it didn't show the UK release when I looked at it a few days ago (it that possible?), but if it did I honestly missed it (after all, I linked to it in the proposal). There's also no mention of the UK release in the article, and note the last sentence of your own message from last January in the section above. Anyway, since "(2000 film)" would be incorrect, WP:NCF suggests adding a descriptive adjective after the year in cases where there are two films from the same year. Would that make sense here? Station1 (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

It's been a while since I looked at the IMDb page (not since this time last year), so I can't remember what it said back then. However, like Wikipedia, IMDb is in a constant state of flux, with new or updated information being added all the time (but, unlike Wikipedia, stuff doesn't appear immediately, as there's a lead time of about two weeks from submission to the info going "live" to allow for it to be checked and approved by an editor). As for what descriptive adjectives could be used, that's a bit tough, as you can't use the country of origin, because they're both US films, so it's going to take some thought to come up with something suitable for both films. Sandi saraya (talk) 10:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll just close this for now. Station1 (talk) 23:30, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.