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I think that we need to take a look at, for example, chapter five (pp. 147-189) of this book. Our article looks to me to be very skewed. - Sitush (talk) 20:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

i completely disagree with the way Bhois are described here[edit]

i want to know by which source the author of this article called Bhois as an ethnic community and also mentioned them as lower caste.

Bhois in the western part of Odisha are also from a higher caste like Kuilta community. Also calling them Bauri is a pure misconception and defamation of the other communities holding the same surname. there may be Bhois from Scheduled Tribes in other parts of Odisha but that doesn't make all Bhois backward. Saurabh Bhoi (talk) 07:06, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Also i m very much disappointed about the way the feedbacks are ignored here. Bhoi is a widely used surname. The way Bhois have been described here is a huge disrespect for the Kuilta caste in Western Odisha and Chhattisgarh. Saurabh.bravo13 (talk) 11:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bhoi[edit]

I would request the creator of this page to expand his resources for research before making such controversial articles. Bhois are from upper caste Kuilta community in Western Odisha. I had edited this but later it was deleted or was not published. The creator should be free to include data from other sources too if found authentic. Saurabh.bravo13 (talk) 11:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Explicit mention of historical untouchability treatment[edit]

I have wp:BOLDly re-added language that explicitly mentions the historical treatment of the Bhoi in the context of untouchability, reversing a previous series of edits that replaced this language with language referencing their inclusion in the Scheduled Castes system. In my view, scheduled castes by itself does not reflect the severity of untouchability, as it is a modern incarnation of progressive policies intended to remedy the plight of the lower castes, and is by its nature, a euphemism.

Please feel free to engage in BRD with me. Best, BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}})} 06:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BrxBrx, which high quality contemporary reliable reliable sources use the term "untouchable" about this ethnic group or any other Indian ethnic group? Why are you trying to use an outdated ethnic slur when more neutral contemporary terms are readily available, as reflected by modern reliable sources? The first source does not use that terminology. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:55, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cullen328, - I am deliberately avoiding the slur, while pointing out the oppression of the Bhoi extended to the characteristics of untouchability, which the linked page describes in further detail, including prohibitions on eating with other community members, entering places of worship, etc. Modern sources do describe the conditions that groups subjected to this appalling treatment, and they do use untouchability as an umbrella term to cover these abuses, ie [1]. As for the source in the book, I qoute ..There is still pernicious aspects of untouchability in the day-to-day lives of the Scheduled Castes and any deviation from the set practices are not tolerated by the caste Hindus .., right there on the page. In fact, it goes on, in vivid detail about the continuing abuses suffered, that the author quite correctly points out has every aspect of untouchability. Fundamentally the reason I put the language back was because in my view, simply noting that they are a scheduled caste is downplaying the oppression that they have suffered. Best, BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}})} 16:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then add that source to the article, please. Currently, it is referenced at least in part to source #1, which does not mention untouchability. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:38, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The source that the qoute comes from is source #2, ie ( Ramesh P. Mohanty (2003). Dalits Development and Change: An Empirical Study. Discovery Publishing House. pp. 15–. ISBN 978-81-7141-696-7.). Best, BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}})} 17:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]