Talk:Bhagat Singh/Archive 3

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Citizenship and Nationality

Citizenship and Nationality of Bhagat Singh has to be Indian. He was fighter against Britishraj Souravbalan (talk) 07:56, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Please read MOS:ETHNICITY which states, "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. ... if the person is notable mainly for past events, (this will be) the country where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable." Bhagat Singh was a citizen of the British Raj or the British Indian Empire. India on Wikipedia is about the Republic of India. Bhagat Singh lived in Lahore which is not in the Republic of India. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Pronunciation uses Hindi and not Punjabi

Even though the IPA uses the Punjabi pronunciation, the audio file uses the Hindi pronunciation. Either it could be removed or a Punjabi one could be added. — SourceIsOpen (talk) 16:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2021

Bhagat_Singh

Please make the below correction, to at least some tribute to one who actually did some selfless contribution just to free his own motherland from invaders!!!

Nationality:- India Citizenship:- INDIA (Bharat) Occupation:- Freedom fighter and NOT A REBEL! Cause of Death:- Fight for his motherland

 Not done The consensus is that people who died pre-independence are not identified as Indians because India, as it is today, did not exist at that time. --RegentsPark (comment) 13:31, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

How did Bhagat Singh and his friends and Chandar Shekhar Azad died

As bhagat is no more than also he is in our hearts forever bhagat Singh fought for freedom from british and his friends mainly Sukhdev , Rajguru and Chandra shekhar azad . As bhagat Singh,Sukhdev and Rajguru was hanged but Chandar Shekhar who started to fight with British officers but Chandra Shekhar Azad was killed because his teammate cheated him and told his every information to Brithish when he was in Allahabad park then only his teammate informed the British that he is there then only Chandar Shekhar Azad died while fighting and today also people go for walking there

This is by Tech Rishi008 I have read biography of bhagat Singh from there I have took this Thanks you TECHRishi008 (talk) 03:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you TECHRishi008 (talk) 03:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you TECHRishi008 (talk) 03:43, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

A line mentioning Bhagat singh as terrorist is wrong as he was a freedom fighter

2409:4063:6D99:9A2:0:0:1E4B:2313 (talk) 06:36, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Living Concrete (talk) 06:44, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2021

In "Early life" section, please wikilink the "National College in Lahore" to the following

National College in Lahore 58.182.176.169 (talk) 21:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I linked the full name, National College of Arts, instead. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 08:45, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2021

it is 28 September 1907 is the date of birth of the legend of Bhagat Singh 2409:4071:4E9F:CE69:9D96:76D1:48BD:C88C (talk) 17:59, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:07, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2021 (2)

Bhagat Singh Birthday written on Wikipedia is 27 September 1907, But his actual Birthday is on 28 September 1907. As per the source I'm requesting editor to change it to 28 well here below I'm providing you the source where NDTV is prestigious news channel of India and also on YouTube you will see many videos and biography where 28 September is mentioned.

https://starsunfolded.com/bhagat-singh/

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/bhagat-singh-birth-anniversary-10-stirring-quotes-by-freedom-fighter-2108049 Patelviraj018 (talk) 09:57, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Patelviraj018: I'm sorry but the scholarly sources as well as the major tertiary sources Encyclopedia Britannica and the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography as well as his standard biography published by Oxford University Press say otherwise. Please see WP:SOURCETYPES and WP:SCHOLARSHIP. We do mention in the footnote that some authors consider the 28th to be his birthday and the first biography by his contemporary Sanyal names a date in October. We have also cited two academic sources for the 28th. But the consensus of both the scholarly sources and reliable tertiary ones remains 27 September 1907. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2021

}} Nishantktiwari (talk) 14:02, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eevee01^(talk) 14:18, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Wrong Date Of Birth of Veer Bhagat Singh ji

The actual Date of birth of Veer Bhagat Singh ji is 28th September 1907.

It is always celebrated on 28th September.

But on Wikipedia and on some other websites it is showing 27th September 1907 which is wrong.

Please someone correct it, it is very important for Indians that people learn the right information about our Freedom fighters. PrinceMehta2001 (talk) 15:31, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2021 (3)

Change birth date from 27th September to 28th September. Okavinashok (talk) 20:17, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:19, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Cite error

In note b "He was secretary of the Kirti Kisan Party..." a refname[25] is used, however the associated ref has been deleted. The missing ref is;
<ref name="Tribune2011">{{cite news |first=Roopinder |last=Singh |title=Bhagat Singh: The Making of the Revolutionary |date=23 March 2011 |url=http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110323/main6.htm |work=The Tribune |location=India |access-date=17 December 2012|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20150930145024/http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110323/main6.htm|archive-date=30 September 2015}}</ref>

Could someone please add the details back into the article.
Also the ref "Govind" is no longer in use, but is still included in the reflist. Could someone please comment it out. Thanks 89.241.33.89 (talk) 12:53, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done —Sirdog (talk) 18:51, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you 89.241.33.89 (talk) 19:43, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

English

About Bhagat Singh stator place what we remember him 2402:3A80:449:1204:A7CB:A01:58E7:4036 (talk) 01:02, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

When was Bhagat singh married

The answer 2405:201:D005:70B2:F98F:57F2:8584:3706 (talk) 15:40, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

[1] Appu (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Description

Bhagat singh is Indian revolutionary hero undoubtedly and this should bev his description thanks 21aryan (talk) 04:58, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Who was Bhagat Singh

Pls don’t give me the answer from internet Hygupta (talk) 07:54, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2022

Hygupta (talk) 08:24, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Bhagat was such a good revolutionary.

Yes or no Hygupta (talk) 08:24, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:59, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Bhagat singh revolution

Bhagat singh revolutionary has impact on all india and inspiration of Millions of young people. 21aryan (talk) 14:10, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes it has Hygupta (talk) 14:20, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2022

he was born on 28 september 1907 Denis2882gamer (talk) 08:10, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: See footnote a Cannolis (talk) 08:30, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Criminal word is not appropriate

While describing the work of Bhagat Singh. The word criminal should not be used. Although they have taken up the law in their own hand, but that is due to the freedom of motherland. The person killed by these freedom fighters were anarchist and also murdered many native Indians. Moreover these people are decorated public figure of an independent democratic nation. Also icon for Indian youth and their fight for independence. Thus they cannot be called as criminals. 2402:3A80:1986:F982:A0B5:702E:6F4C:A236 (talk) 10:31, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Anarchist?

[2] @Fowler&fowler, what reliable sources say that Singh was an anarchist as a defining trait of his life? If anything, a prior talk page post makes it look like the opposite. czar 00:53, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

@Czar: Please read the quote from Jaffrelot in footnote 12. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 08:31, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

His Janus-like appearance reflected his two sources of inspiration (Bolshevism and Anarchism)

This isn't a strong enough claim to say that Singh was an anarchist. Plenty of people are influenced by anarchism without being an anarchist. Our standard for adding categories is that it has to be a defining trait of the person's life, which this footnote does not support. Is there something I'm missing? czar 13:29, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Not cherry picking, but reading more comprehensively, as in:

The revolutionary repertoire has changed with time. Replete with religious references at the beginning of the twentieth century, it has become secular in the inter-war period. Purely nationalist, to begin with, it became, with time, progressively internationalist and proletarian (involving the workers and the peasants), while recognizing, little by little, the rifts, no longer only of classes but also of castes and religions. The man who epitomizes this transition is Bhagat Singh. His Janus-like appearance reflected his two sources of inspiration (Bolshevism and Anarchism), the Marxist one becoming dominant by the late 1920s. Bhagat Singh, who died when he was 23, was an exceptional person, as A.G. Noorani pointed out, because of his ‘intellectual strength’. But his evolution has been followed by others, including Shiv Verma, one of the founders of the HSRA. Verma, however, admitted in a 1986 article, that if in 1928 the firm resolution to turn away from ‘anarchism and to make socialism an act of faith’’ had been taken, ‘in practice, we held on to our old style of individual actions’ It took us three years to realize the limitations of individual action. We moved towards socialism with measured steps, and it was only after our arrests that we had enough time and enough books to read, to discuss, to return to the past, and to arrive at the right conclusions.' But it was too late for the HSRA which had been decimated by repression since not only many leaders were arrested but others, like Bhagat Singh, were executed or killed in an exchange of fire with the police, like Azad in 1931. It was not before the 1940s that the Communist Party of India was to fulfill Bhagat Singh’s prophecy by taking up the cause of revolution ...

In other words, it was only after their arrests, said one of the founders, that they had enough time to read the books. Sources aside, though, obviously, any story about any group, five of whose members plan a murder, then (i) two of whom mistake a 21-year-old on probation for the police chief, (ii) one of whom (Bhagat Singh) then pumps six or seven bullets into the dying man, (iii) while they are escaping, another Azad kills an Indian policeman Channan Singh who chases Bhagat Singh (iv) return to their rooms and alter the posters to show the 21-year old as their instead target instead of the middle-aged police chief, (v) then return to downtown Lahore and slap their posters in a few places, ... has enough elements of farce, enough fits of spontaneous individual impatience, anger or bravado, and enough intellectual dishonesty to betoken anarchism not socialism. Anarchism as a political philosophy has been much more internally inconsistent and also gratuitously violent than socialism. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

The source does not say he is an anarchist. I've already linked the guidelines that his association with anarchist philosophy needs to be a defining trait of his life to warrant categorization as such. I.e., it should not require anywhere near the deduction above. (Also we define anarchism much differently than described above.) How would you like to proceed? I recommend reverting your edit. Alternatively, you can either share additional sources or open this to third parties. czar 00:13, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Of course, it does. But I'm happy to provide simple declarative statements in scholarly sources. Please give me a few minutes. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:38, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I've added five more citations. They go from simple noun phrases, e.g. "The Indian socialist-anarchist Bhagat Singh" to more complex analysis. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:02, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Czar: By the way, where did I say, "He was an anarchist?" I hadn't paid attention to this earlier, but I say only, "borrowing ideas from Bolshevism and Anarchism, ..." I haven't really said much about anarchism in the lead (which is what I have written). Is it stated categorically later in the article? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Czar: Oh, I see. It is the Categories at the bottom of the page that you were addressing. To be honest, I don't really pay attention to them, and I'm not sure why I did that time. You are welcome to remove the Anarchist Category if you think the revamped sources are not enugh to pin him down. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:49, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks czar 05:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2022

Change 27 September to 28 September 103.177.184.96 (talk) 10:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: see above Cannolis (talk) 11:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2022 (2)

Date of birth is wrong. Real date is 28 th September not 27th 210.246.18.137 (talk) 16:26, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Terasail^[✉️] 16:35, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Birth date

Why the birth date is 28 Sep, it's 27 Sep , we're reading since childhood, on Punjabi Wikipedia it's also 28 Sep, many are requesting to change this to 28, but not being changed, why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Komalrajiana (talk • contribs) 18:36, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Komalrajiana: References 1-6 and footnote (a) in the current version attest that both September 27 and 28 are mentioned as Bhagat Singh's birth date in reliable sources, and therefore the wikipedia article too should definitely mention both (as it does). The current version of the article does appear to give more weight to the latter date but I haven't looked into the sourcing deeply enough to have an opinion on which, if any, of the two should be given precedence. Pinging @Fowler&fowler: who has edited the article extensively, and may have an informed opinion. Abecedare (talk) 18:48, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

September 27 is the predominant date in the sources. My understanding is that for years it was the date on which Bhagat Singh's birthday was celebrated officially in the Punjab and by India's federal government. Then Google appeared. It was founded on 27 September. India's wide-eyed press thereafter had little time for Bhagat Singh on that day. I will find the sources and settle this matter once and for all. Last September we received a lot of flak for carrying the 27th, despite the fact that Britannica, ODNB, and a number of other scholarly sources carry that date. (But as the footnote explains, there is a smaller number of reliable sources that have the 28, and a few a date in October.) All things being equal, my conjecture is that the 28th is a post-internet phenomenon. So hold on please, @Abecedare: Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:47, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Also pinging @Komalrajiana: Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:48, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks F&f for volunteering to do the needed lit survey. Really appreciated! Abecedare (talk) 22:21, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm done. The sources are stacked. As this is a frequent problem, I request that they be allowed to remain, especially for tomorrow which is his death anniversary. There is a source that seems to validate the Google conjecture. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:36, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks F&f for doing the hard work. I have no issues with the stacked presentation. The multiple references are useful to establish predominance of the 27 Sep date, while stacking prevents the ugliness of the date being followed by ^{[1], [2], [3], [4]...} in the main text. I have made a minor tweak though so that any reader following up on the superscript over the date is led to the footnote that acknowledges the alternate birthdate(s) and explains why wikipedia is favoring the 27 Sep one. They, if they then so wish, can look up the exact references for each date that you listed. Hope that presentation change is ok with everyone. Abecedare (talk) 23:16, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

The page very shamelessly uses the word "mistaken" for retaliation of indian freedom fighters.

Choose your words wisely it is hurting sentiments and it is not true nobody in India considers it a mistaken retaliation. What kind of editors do you guys have and what were you crowdfunding all that money for if you cannot correctly run even the protected pages 49.36.208.157 (talk) 20:21, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

@Abecedare: For your attention. That John Saunders, a 21-year-old intern was mistakenly shot instead of the Senior Police Superintendent James Scott who had ordered by baton charge, is well, widely, and reliably documented. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:57, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

There are new secondary sources based on primary source data and interviews which state that BS was depressed as was Rajguru about killing an innocent man. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:59, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Not sure what "crowd funding" etc is, but your response to that would be better. Best, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:02, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

I think the confusing is between reading the '... mistaken retaliation...' as "it was a mistake to retaliate for the death of an Indian nationalist" (which is a normative judgment wikipedia can't make) vs "it was a mistake to kill John Saunders as part of that retaliation" (which is what I think the sources say, and what Singh et al regretted). Is there a way to rephrase the lede sentence to make it clearer that we mean the latter? Abecedare (talk) 23:43, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

F&f, how about "...participated in the murder of a junior British police officer and an Indian head constable, mistakenly holding them responsible for the death of an Indian nationalist."? Abecedare (talk) 23:51, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

That will create other problems, as Chanan Singh was shot not because he was taken to be the primary culprit, but because he gave chase (which is a problem with the current formulation as well). In fact, the Punjab police department used to have a service for him for many years after India's independence. I'll come up with something shortly. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:55, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Yup, I was thinking of that constable-shooting objection soon after I posted my suggestion. One way out would be to say, "...participated in the murder of a junior British police officer and an Indian head constable, mistakenly holding the former responsible for the death of an Indian nationalist." The downside being that while you and I may be very comfortable with such a sentence construction, it may make the sentence harder to parse for a general reader. Never easy to balance precision, concision and readability. Will let you mull on it. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 00:02, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Abecedare: I've left the constable out mainly because he was killed by the "covering fire" of a third assailant, and also because most sources don't mention the constable. I guess BS was an accessory to the killing of the constable, but that is not needed in the lead. "Mistaken murder" should be fine. I've left it as "what was to be retaliation for the death of an Indian nationalist." That was very helpful. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:15, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2022

Date of birth of Bhagat Singh is 28 September. Unfortunately, it showing wrong date of birth as 27 September. Can you please fix it. 138.229.30.88 (talk) 01:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Please see the first footnote in the article and the sources cited therein. Abecedare (talk) 01:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Where was Bhagat Singh born?

The name of the place is Khatkar Kalan, near Nava Shahar, Punjab India and NOT Banga a village of Faisalabad District, as mentioned in this article. Pramod Kaushal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pramodkaushal (talk • contribs) 17:19, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2022

His complete name is Bhagat Singh Sandhu, gets his surname from his father Kishan Singh Sandhu Preetsandhu86 (talk) 03:47, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Terasail^[✉️] 03:58, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The infobox place of birth

All villages in the subcontinent were identified in the following manner in addresses:

Village and P.O. X,
District Y,
Z province,
India.

Before 1947, the term "India" meant the British Raj, or British Indian Empire = British India + Princely States. "British India" denoted the collection of Presidencies and Provinces directly ruled by the British; the "Princely States," the collection of states ruled nominally by Indian rulers, their rule overseen by the British in a system of paramountcy. Punjab province was in British India so we need write no more. Had he been born in Patiala State, however, the correct place of birth would have been, ..., Patiala State, British Raj, or British Indian Empire.

These days, as India is also the common name for the entity Republic of India, "British India" is sometimes used informally to disambiguate the pre-1947 undivided India from the contemporary one (especially in newspapers), but the terminology is not precise. So, summing up: if someone was born in a province, as Bhagat Singh was, write "British India;" if they were born in a princely state, write "British Indian Empire." In other words, what is there in the info box right now is the correct place of birth. Banga is a village; villages require both the district and province. Please don't change it. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:53, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Bhagat singh

Baghat singi 103.15.63.146 (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

"Bhagavath Singh" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Bhagavath Singh and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 20#Bhagavath Singh until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jay (talk) 17:30, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

About Bhagat Singh

Paragraph 2409:4040:D91:A4A7:0:0:7089:290B (talk) 16:23, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

His birthday on 28 september 1907 Ansh.r.bhagat (talk) 13:47, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2022

157.35.62.123 (talk) 13:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

His birthday on 28 Sept 1907

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2022

Hello I request you to rectify Bhagat singh ji date of birth from 27 th September to 28 th September.

He is an honour for us and wrong date of birth is hurting our sentiments Bhagatsinghfanksandhu (talk) 10:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Please read the many citations with elaborate quotes in the article. It is thought that the birthdate (and -day), which the most reliable sources always considered 27 September, was changed in the early 2000s by the publicity seekers after Google was founded on the same day and India's wide-eyed press began to cover Google instead. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2022 (2)

Ansh.r.bhagat (talk) 13:38, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

His birthday on 28 september 1907

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:49, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

To support the change refer THE TIMES OF INDIA published on 28th Sep 2022 Aynygy (talk) 04:00, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 October 2022

Th official date of birth is 28th September 1907 kindly change it asp Aynygy (talk) 04:03, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. The current given date is explained in a footnote. Changing this will require consensus. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

About bhagat singh

Female melodious 2402:3A80:CD2:624D:0:0:3AC9:A5D4 (talk) 01:07, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Bhagar singh biography

Bhagat 106.66.28.196 (talk) 11:37, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

gandhi

kannada 103.89.235.58 (talk) 13:26, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Article Improvement

Hey, what would be some good starting points or pointers to get this to be a GA level? I already feel that it is a pretty good one, it would be nice to have it shown what needs to be done here, not just for myself but any others that come along. Thanks. :) SP00KYtalk 01:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Date of birth

I'm removing the references to a date of birth of 28 September. This appears to have been en-wiki's fault, possibly a typo, though I haven't tried to conclusively prove that. The sources currently linked on this article that support a birth date of the 28th and not the 27th both postdate this edit: [3] which was an import from en-wiki, and are likely WP:CITOGENESIS. -- asilvering (talk) 22:13, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2023

157.39.199.247 (talk) 03:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I would like to correct your information as wikipedia is popular for his correct informations.

Bhagat Singh was born in KHATKAD KALAN a small village now this village is part of Punjab (India) not in Faislabad (Pakistan). This village is now in district NAWANSHEHAR now known as SHAHEED BHAGAT SINGH NAGAR,located in doaba Province in Punjab india. Kindly do needful.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:48, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2023

142.113.215.58 (talk) 04:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Bhagat singh ji is a shaheed please remove word died 🙏

 Not done: What? Are you trying to say he's not dead? Cannolis (talk) 08:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2023

2001:569:7DEA:C600:3B6E:78E0:6516:F896 (talk) 16:02, 28 September 2023 (UTC)please change the bhagat singh's photo bhagat singh wear turban not hat

 Not done: Please make your request for a new image to be uploaded to Files For Upload. Once the file has been properly uploaded, feel free to reactivate this request to have the new image used. Tollens (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2023

Hon'ble Bhagat Singh birth date is 28th September 1907, which is wrongly written here as 27th September 1907. Please correct it.

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6. So on. Taruneshparashar (talk) 17:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

See the many much more reliable sources already in the article citing the 27th to be his birthday. The 28th became popular only after Google (whose founding date is 27 September 1998) became well-known in India, and the Indian media, dizzy and wide-eyed, began to gush about Google on the 27th. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Prime Minister of India Celebrated Bhagat Singh Birth Anniversary on 28 September and also in previous year like 2019 Prime Minister of India and Vice President of India Celebrated Bhagat Singh Birth Anniversary on 28 September. References 1 Reference 2 Reference 3 and I think Prime Minister of India and Vice President of India are more reliable sources then news media. And NOT only this year Every year prime minister of India Celebrates Bhagat Singh Jayanti e.g., 2020 2022 2023 WikiAnchor10 (talk) 13:26, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Those are all post-Google phenomena. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:48, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Bhagat Singh's famous essay, "Why I am an Atheist," was published on his first birth anniversary after his death, which was 27 September 1931. I'm sure the sources abound. For years, India's government celebrated his birthday on the 27th. That is, until Google was hogging the headlines. I'm sure the sources abound. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

See the official AKASHVANI: Vol. XLVI, No.39 ( 27 SEPTEMBER, 1981 ) - Page 16, the official All India Radio. It says, "Birth Anniversary of Sardar Bhagat Singh Sunday". You can check that it was indeed a Sunday in 1981. 28th was a Monday. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

And here is some scholarly backup:

• Phanjoubam, Pradip (2016), The Northeast Question: Conflicts and frontiers, London and New York: Routledge, ISBN 978-1-138-95798-5

  Consider this. 27 September is the birthday of Google. This day is also the birthday of well-known and respected Indian freedom fighter Bhagat Singh, though some claim 28 September to be his birthday. For all the years after Indian independence, Bhagat Singh’s birthday was what the Indian media remembered on 27 September, with the union government’s Directorate of Advertising and Visual Publicity (DAVP) issuing large eulogising display advertisements ahead of the day, reminding the nation of the day’s significance in the Indian independence movement and nation-building. But by the turn of the twenty-first century, amidst the excitement of changes brought about by the liberalisation of the Indian economy and its consequent growing integration with the global market, all major Indian news channels and newspapers began enthusiastically remembering Google, carrying features on this phenomenon of the digital age for days, and in the process, virtually marginalised the memory of Bhagat Singh to the periphery of the media’s, and therefore, the public’s consciousness. Obviously, the paradigms of history writing are yet getting set for another revolution. If history is the story of the State, as Carr suggested, then history telling must also have to change with the transformation the nature of modern States is going through.

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:13, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

And the posthumous introduction to this own works:

• Singh, Bhagat (2007) [1931], Lal, Chaman (ed.), The Jail Notebook and Other Writings, LeftWord Books, p. 22, ISBN 978-81-87496-72-4

  Bhagat Singh’s comrade in jail and later editor of his Selected Works, Shiv Verma, records that Bhagat Singh prepared four manuscripts in jail: (1) The Idea of Socialism; (2) Autobiography; (3) History of the Revolutionary Movement in India; and (4) At the Door of Death. It is not clear if Verma actually read or saw these manuscripts, or simply heard Bhagat Singh saying that he is working on them. However, clearly Bhagat Singh did write something, and what he wrote was smuggled out of the jail by Kumari Lajjawati of Jalandhar. Lajjawati was secretary of the Bhagat Singh Defence Committee and a Congress activist. She visited Lahore jail frequently to discuss the legal aspects of the case. Lajjawati showed the papers to Feroze Chand, editor of People, the Lahore paper established by Lala Lajpat Rai. Feroze Chand was to publish selections from these writings in his paper. This is how the celebrated essay ‘Why I am an Atheist’ was published after his execution on September 27, 1931, his first birth anniversary.

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:38, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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