Talk:Battle in Heaven

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I thought this film had unsimulated sex? Shouldn't it be on the "List of mainstream films with unsimulated sex". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.180.245 (talk) 22:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It has both. In the sex scene with Marco and his wife, pay attention to the mirror: you'll see that althoug Berta Ruiz is naked, there's no man behind her. たろ人 (talk) 21:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plot summary edit - I suppose I should have brought it up before going forward, but the previous plot summary entry needed a lot of work. In it's entirety, here is what had been written before my edit, just in case someone wants to put it back in some form or another:

Not counting the opening and ending credits, the film begins and ends with Ana giving Marcos a blowjob.

Marcos (Marcos Hernández) stands next to his wife Berta (Berta Ruiz) at the subway as she sells knickknacks at a stand. Marcos gets on a subway and gets his glasses knocked off his face. He shows up at the airport to meet Ana (Anapola Mushkadiz) and drives her around. Ana orders Marcos to take her to the "boutique" (a euphemism for the brothel where Ana prostitutes herself). Marcos is very distracted in his driving. When Ana asks for music, he turns on the radio but stalls the car. Marcos claims he's distracted only because of his wife's ill health.

Ana invites Marcos into the "boutique" and hires him a prostitute, but Marcos can't get it up for her. The prostitute goes back to the lobby and tells Ana that he wants her and not her. Ana goes to talk to Marcos, and reminds him that they have known each other since Ana's childhood. Marcos then reveals that he and his wife kidnapped a baby but the baby died before they could collect any ransom. Ana says he shouldn't have told her that.

Back home, Marcos has sex with his wife. Afterwards, he tells her he told Ana about the kidnapped baby and the wife jumps to the conclusion that Marcos has had sex with Ana. Back on the job the next day, Ana is convinced that Marcos wants to have sex with her. They have sex with her on top. Ana tells Marcos he must turn himself in to the police. Marcos leaves the room but, after peeing his pants, goes back in the room and kills Ana.

Marcos, wearing a blue blanket on his face but no shirt, walks on his knees as he's mocked by a preacher. He enters a church and his wife joins him there soon afterwards. Hurtsmyears (talk) 00:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My English is how you say, not so elegant, and I didn't completely understand the film; and even if that wasn't the case, feel free to make corrections. The previous version should still be available in the archived history, but I suppose it makes it easier to get at it, in the highly unlikely event that anyone cares to. たろ人 (talk) 20:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Unintended Criticism Of Mexico[edit]

The director may have accidentally made a film highly critical of Mexican culture. Woven between scenes are Mexicans saluting a giant Mexican flag. Per the film then, Mexicans salute the items presented in each scene: kidnapping, prostitution, La Virgen Guadalupe, and soccer.

The criticism lampoons Mexican lower-class obesity contrasted against affluent Whiteixcan neighborhoods. However, the matriarchal nature of the culture does not know class boundaries. From Ana’s boyfriend to Marcos, women emotionally manipulate and haplessly lead astray Mexican men. The Mexican man’s only refuge is masturbating to soccer.

The only cliched criticism not addressed by the film is the narco trade, something already thoroughly overdone by many other films. Any attempt to add the narco trade would have completely diluted the criticisms presented in this film. Though the director may not have intended it, this film tops those critical of Mexican culture.

https://www.filmcomment.com/article/battle-in-heaven-review/ 187.234.46.13 (talk) 16:08, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]