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Her relationship with William Mellor has been sanitised ...[edit]

It is widely understood (and acknowledged in the biography "Red Queen" for example) that Barbara Betts(as Barbara Castle was known then)that William Mellor (already married to someone else)was far more than a mentor but also her LOVER for several years. It is also worth noting that the Wiki for William Mellor whilst being very short and concise does include the following sentence "For the last 10 years of his life, though married with a family, he conducted an affair with the young Barbara Castle." So I propose that this information be included or acknowledged in this Wiki. GenerallyKnowledge (talk) 11:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hagiography[edit]

I can't be alone in feeling that the article is overly reverential towards its subject. I'm an admirer of BC, but I'm well aware that she was no angel and led a fairly torrid private life. Her various political responsibilities in government were also much more controversial than suggested here. --Ef80 (talk) 22:24, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also an admirer of Barbara Castle, I share the view that this entry passes over some important moments in her career, one being a visit to Moscow in 1937 and the articles she subsequently wrote for Tribune at that time. (Incidentally, she visited Moscow and the USSR a second time in spring 1991.)

There is hardly a mention of the succession of left-leaning groups from the 1930s onwards with which she was associated - the ILP, the Socialist League, the Unity Group, Keep Left, etc. Without that background it is almost impossible to comprehend her battles within the Party, and the sizable minority within the PLP that supported her at different times.

Perhaps a little attention to Lisa Martineau's unauthorised biography would restore this history and show Barbara Castle's character, determination and successes in a clearer light. John Crowfoot (talk) 12:21, 5 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Her Mother[edit]

"Annie was elected as a Labour Councillor in Bradford, a role which she kept quite secret from even her close family."

I fail to see how anyone could be elected to public office, and keep it secret. 86.28.165.76 (talk) 23:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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