Talk:Avel Yenukidze

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Requested move 1 November 2018[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. @Wizlon, Don: I’ll leave it to you to update the usage if he surname in the article, provided that I don’t get around to it myself. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 02:11, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Avel Enukidze → Avel Yenukidze – There is an inconsistency in the way Wikipedia transliterates names beginnign with the Cyrillic letter 'e'. For instance, there are entries for:

Boris Yeltsin, Alexei Yepishev, Andrey Yeryomenko, Vasyl Yermylov, Yefim Yevdokimov, Yevgeny Yevtushenko, Nikolai Yezhov and many more.

Enukidze if the only entry I kind find where that same letter is transliterated at the beginning of a surname as E rather than Ye (although it is quite common for the forename Evgeny to omit the Y) I think we should use the 'Ye' for surnames because:

1) it already appears to be the more common form used on Wikipedia

2) it's the form used by all the most commonly read English language Russian historians, such as Simon Sebag Montefiore, Orlando Figes, Sheila Fitzpatrick, Robert Conquest, Isaac Deutscher etc. The 'E' format is more often used by academics who are not writing for the popular market.

3) It's a better guide to pronuniciation, and differentiates the cyrillic 'E' from 'Э', as in Eisenstein or Ehrenburg.

4) The best known name in this list is Boris Yeltsin, which is never seen spelt as 'Eltsin', so far as I know. Wizlon, Don (talk) 15:42, 1 November 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Seraphim System ^(talk) 21:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support A quick look through my sources shows he's known as "Abel Yenukidze," so the change to the surname seems logical. I will note though that his name in Georgian would still be "Enukidze" as the letter "ე" transliterates to "e," but as he's much more well known via his Russian name, keep it as "Yenukidze." Kaiser matias (talk) 15:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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