Talk:Authoritarian capitalism

More countries should be included in examples Mynamz (talk) 03:19, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Some very bad inaccuracies in this article

So this part in particular: "Countries commonly referred to as being authoritarian capitalist states include China since the economic reforms, Hungary under Viktor Orbán, Russia under Vladimir Putin, Chile under Augusto Pinochet, Singapore under Lee Kuan Yew and Turkey under Recep Tayyip Erdoğan as well as fascist regimes and military dictatorships during the Cold War. Nazi Germany has also been described as authoritarian capitalist,[4][5][6] especially for its privatization policy in the 1930s."

Out of all those examples, only Chile and Singapore actually fit the definition of authoritarian capitalism. According to https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking which measures economic freedom, Singapore is #1, Chile is #19, while Russia is #92, China is #107 Hungary is # 55 and Turkey is #76, is Nazi Germany considered capitalist because they removed some industries from complete State control to give them to individuals very closely linked to the State? Could you really consider those countries capitalist while they rank so low on the business freedom index? Those examples are just blatantly wrong It seems the person managing this particular page doesn't really understand what capitalism is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:7f3:683:83f7:61a7:bc37:575a:ea4e (talk) 19:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply here, but Nazi Germany was definitely capitalist. They actively persecuted socialists and communists, and they were very publicly and obviously committed to private property. I agree that this article has some issues, but let's refrain from falling into the "Nazis were socialists" trap. Cheers. DeVosMax [ contribs • talk • created media ] 10:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Persecuting communists equals capitalism? That's a whole take dude. Alejandro Basombrio (talk) 16:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

canada would also fall into this category, at #15. 107.179.229.114 (talk) 16:20, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

justin trudeau

i actually think there's a very strong argument that justin trudeau, who has overseen a historic reversal of constitutional rights in canada, belongs in the list of authoritarian capitalists.

some examples of the rollbacks in rights include trying to stongarm private industries into covid restrictions (something he has no authority to do), invoking the emergencies act on flimsy grounds (something that is unprecedented) and passing a series of laws that have extreme restrictions on freedom of expression, including over-regulating the internet.

the addition of justin trudeau to the list was not intended to be trite or disingenuous. this is being put forward as an honest discourse, and i reject the characterization of it as an act of vandalism. 107.179.229.114 (talk) 16:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

it will be up to history to decide. but, it's not a frivolous suggestion. none of the other characters in the list are presented in this context with any argument; i don't think that adding mr. trudeau to the list without reference is egregious, and i would request it be re-added by somebody else. i don't see the value in an editing war, but i stand by the edit. 107.179.229.114 (talk) 16:12, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

it is not hard to find references to mr. trudeau as an authoritarian in the press, but most of those references call him a "communist". obviously, canada is not a communist country, and the economic system in place is not communism. like much of the western world, the reigning economic system in canada is extreme neo-liberalism, and the guiding economic force is increasing marketization. but, many, many, many actors have drawn attention to the disappearing economic and political rights and freedoms in canada. the reference is not frivolous, and while i'm not getting into an editing war, i would encourage others to pick up the thought - that the widespread contemporary concern about "communism" in canada, which means a widespread concern about government crackdowns on basic rights, is better articulated as a concern about "illiberal capitalism". 107.179.229.114 (talk) 16:17, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

i am trying to use left-wing sites - like the world socialist website - and right-wing sites like the ny post, as well as bourgeois sites like the washington post. there's even a hitchens speech. there is no ideological bias in this list of references.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/21/how-canada-went-from-liberal-democracy-to-authoritarian-state/

https://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/news/news/Your_Voice/Your_Voice_Justin_Trudeau_s_descent_into_authoritarianism_has_divided_Canada/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/17/canada-freedom-convoy-trudeau-emergency-law/

https://troymedia.com/politicslaw/canada-is-becoming-an-authoritarian-state-under-trudeau/

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-world-laughs-as-trudeau-claims-to-stand-against-authoritarianism

https://www.jccf.ca/the-cbc-fails-to-see-authoritarianism-in-our-own-backyard/

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/02/oqqt-j02.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z2uzEM0ugY

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/despite-what-you-may-think-canadians-dont-actually-have-freedom-of-speech

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/free-speech-freedom-emerging-as-top-issues-for-canadians-nanos-1.5822003

https://www.wsj.com/articles/justin-trudeau-attacks-free-speech-again-11626215006

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60383385

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/thomas-trudeau-the-maker-of-the-authoritarian-creep/article_d705bbc6-e1bc-11ec-94c3-23828419b276.html

you can agree or disagree.

but it's not "vandalism". 107.179.229.114 (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2022 (UTC)