Talk:Austria–Italy border

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Italo-Austrian border[edit]

The more elegant term Italo-Austrian border as in Italo-Austrian War is preferable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjvanb (talkcontribs) 07:04, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 October 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Procedural close. Merged with similar move request. See Talk:France–Germany_border#Requested_move_15_October_2022 (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 18:41, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Austria–Italy borderAustro-Italian border – This is by far the most WP:COMMON NAME for the border in English WP:RELIABLE SOURCES. According to ngram viewer it is about 4-5 times more common than Austria-Italy border, Italy-Austria border or Italo-Austrian border. Bermicourt (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Adumbrativus (talk) 23:36, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, with en-dash not hyphen, per WP:COMMONNAME. BilledMammal (talk) 11:43, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Support to Italian-Austrian border, per ngrams which shows that name to be the most common. I would also support Austrian-Italian border.
    This is also supported by Google News;
    BilledMammal (talk) 17:33, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. To remain WP:CONSISTENT with Austria-Italy relations and the quasi-totality of articles under Category:Bilateral relations of Italy and Category:Bilateral relations of Austria. Editors should also take note that a well-attended RfC of 2022 failed to change similar article titles to the adjectival form.Pilaz (talk) 18:00, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. "Austria-Italy relations" doesn't even figure in English sources - see ngram viewer here (nor does "Italy-Austria relations"); whereas both adjectival forms do; "Austro-Italian relations" being way the more common. So looks like that needs changing too, but that's a separate debate. Bermicourt (talk) 19:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The well attended RfC failed to find a consensus in favour of either consistent adjectival or nounal forms. As the closer said, no consensus that one pattern across all bilateral relations article currently exists on Wikipedia that is so dominant that it is the be-all-end-all in every discussion on naming bilateral relations articles. As such we need to consider all of WP:CRITERIA, not just WP:CONSISTENT, and due to the increased naturality of the proposed title WP:CRITERIA as a whole supports this move. BilledMammal (talk) 19:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Replied to the clone of this comment at this parallel discussion here. Bermicourt, I would advise to nominate multiple pages using WP:RMPM in the future, to avoid duplicate discussions like these. Thank you. Pilaz (talk) 22:07, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Text of original closing statement
The result of the move request was: Moved. I just closed the RM proposal discussion at Talk:Franco-German_border where the arguments presented were essentially the same as here, and even by the same editors, so look there for more details. The main difference is that the COMMONNAME argument favoring the move is not as strong here, but over there it's overwhelming ("36 times more common"), while here it's "just" very strong ("4-5 times more common"). So here too the COMMONNAME position must prevail over the CONSISTENT argument relying on consistency with a convention that consensus could not find even exists in a recent RFC. В²C 05:35, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.