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Another question[edit]

In the Function section, the entry states: "Whenever the Leader becomes incapable of fulfilling his constitutional duties, or lobs one of the qualifications mentioned in" Constitution, "or it becomes known that he did not possess some of the qualifications initially, he will be dismissed."[5] (The assembly has never dismissed a sitting Supreme Leader.)

Then in the History section, the entry states: The Assembly of Experts of the Leadership was first elected and convened in 1983. The first Assembly of Experts chose Ayatollah Montazeri as the successor to Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Khomeini. In 1989, however, they reversed their decision and dismissed him after Khomeini denounced him.[12

This was confusing to me, seeming to either be contradictory or imply that Montazeri wasn't a 'sitting Supreme Leader'.

Clarification?

Montazeri never was a sitting Supreme Leader. He was in line to succeed Khomeini before Khomeini got mad at him. The Behnam 18:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A question[edit]

Is Supreme Leader elected from amoungst the members of the Assembly of Experts or from outside the Assembly ?

-- Siyac 17:22, 25 August 2005 (UTC) 

      Supreme Leader can be elected from amoungst the members of AE or from outside. 
      For more information refer to http://www.leader.ir/langs/EN/index.php?p=leader_law
      --farhoudk 27 Nov 2006

Democratic or despotic[edit]

When was the last time this assembly was elected? What were the results?

Can just anyone run for office? Do candidates have freedom of speech or press? What about people who don't want to run, but have a comment - do they have freedom of speech or press? --Uncle Ed 20:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Khobregan [Assembly of Experts], which meets for one week every year, consists of 86 "virtuous and learned" clerics elected by the public to eight-year terms. Like presidential and parliamentary elections, the Council of Guardians determines who can run for a seat in the assembly. Members of the Assembly of Experts in turn elect the Supreme Leader from within their own ranks and periodically reconfirm him. The assembly has never been known to challenge any of the Supreme Leader's decisions. Meetings are held behind closed doors and little is known about the decisions that are made. This secrecy is a sore point for many observers. [1]
If anything the dominant faction had shown its opposition to any opening of the political climate by attacking gatherings, banning newspapers, arresting writers and journalists, and threatening them with the death penalty for treason. This extra 8.5 million is made up of those who cast blank votes (5% in Teheran), those who simply submitted to the ideological-political pressures to vote, and those afraid of ending up without an election stamp on their ID. In times of intense economic hardship - as now - this could deprive them of food and other vital ration coupons. What this makes clear is that the people find it easier to use elections to show their opposition by voting than by boycotting. [2]

Hmm. A "congressional" body which never disagrees with the chief executive? And an election used to give the body credibility (by saying nobody boycotted it), while failure to vote carries dire penalties, and yet people still boycotted the vote?

This article fails to meet any sort of encyclopedic standards. I think someone cribbed it from the Iranian Embassy site. --Uncle Ed 20:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mujtahid instead of Ayatollah[edit]

Using Ayatollah is wrong. Because the members should be Mujtahid not ayatollah. Some of the members are Hojatoleslam. Even a candidate for 4th assembly of experts ,Mohesen Esmaeli [3] , isn't a cleric. I mean the abality of interpreting Islamic law is essentioal.--Sa.vakilian 10:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

there is not yet a difinite clarification between ayatlaah and mojtah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maisamtabarraiee (talk • contribs) 09:56, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Vicious circle[edit]

The Behnam tries to delete this section. He/She says in the http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Assembly_of_Experts&diff=106135110&oldid=106095089 that: "seriously, no OR, no POV, just like Guardian Council. This is WP, not MKO website."

He/She tries to accuse other people who are not in agreement with him/her as being terrorists, anti-IR, anti-mullah, etc. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Guardian_Council#Vicious_Circle to see his/her impolite wordings. Farhoudk 15:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You know we are discussing an identical section elsewhere, so stop pretending that my reverts are without justification. Please see [4] and you will see that Farhoudk is now pretending that there is no discussion about this section. The section is practically the same, and has the same problems, and so does not belong on the page. Patchouli and Farhoudk, please stop pushing your POV on WP. Thanks! The Behnam 15:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
We will not re-add the section here or anywhere else until we reach a resolution at the primary discussion. The Behnam 15:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


I regret to inform that the "vicious circle" not only should be inserted in the Guardian Council article but also in the Assembly of Experts and Constitution of Islamic Republic of Iran as well. Farhoudk 16:26, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have responded at the Guardian Council talk page. Could we keep the discussion there in its entirety? It is annoying jumping between pages just to say that a response to the same thing was posted elsewhere. The Behnam 19:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsensical Picture Description[edit]

I am not sure why someone would add the picture description "Mullahs-in-chief" to the this image [5]. I suspect it is vandalism. It seems that user Patchouli had added the image and the description. Unless there is an explanation to the description, I will remove it. Agha Nader 02:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader[reply]

Please do. That kind of description is perfectly in line with Patchouli's edits, but is not in line with WP rules. It appears to be an opinionated description. If you need a formal explanation, consider that there is no such thing as a mullah-in-chief. The Behnam 02:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed: Patchouli added the image along with the description here [6]. The Behnam 03:02, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The picture itself is sort of no-value-added, and doesn't have any real details, so it may as well be removed in its entirety. Just some random picture from IranFocus. The Behnam 03:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for removing it. I hope user Patchouli will answer for this obvious POV edit. Agha Nader 03:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC) Agha Nader[reply]

Confusion over assembly of Experts for the Constitution and for the Leadership[edit]

I confused the two as Gerash77 called to my attention. My mistake. Since I've been making mistakes I'll ask a question before editting.

Could not the sentence "The Assembly of Experts of the Leadership was first established in 1983." be made clearer by saying "The Assembly of Experts of the Leadership was first elected and convened in 1983." --Leroy65X 18:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would be better. Thanks.--Gerash77 19:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone know what was meant by this....?[edit]

The assembly gathers every six months and elects a new Supreme Leader, in the event of dismissal or death of the previous Supreme Leader.

Which is it: The assembly gathers every six months and elects a new Supreme Leader

or

The assembly gathers every six months. In the event of dismissal or death of the previous Supreme Leader it elects a new Supreme Leader.

I'm pretty sure it is the second.

Second question: If the second statement is right, what does the assembly do when it meets every six months? Vote on a resolution saying the SL is doing a good job?

Third question: What does this mean:

... in the event of dismissal or death of the previous Supreme Leader. The experts will review and consult among themselves concerning all the Islamic jurist possessing the qualifications of leadership. In the event they find one of them better versed in Islamic regulations, the subjects of the fiqh, or in political and social issues, or possessing general popularity or special prominence for any of the qualifications of leadership, they shall elect him as the Leader. Otherwise, in the absence of such a superiority, they shall elect and declare one of them as the Leader.

Otherwise, in the absence of such a superiority, they shall elect and declare one of them as the Leader.

Who is "them"? --Leroy65X 21:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The assembly gathers every six months. In the event of dismissal or death of the previous Supreme Leader it elects a new Supreme Leader. is correct. "Them" refers to themselves, the member of the Assembly. Agha Nader 23:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Agha Nader[reply]
Thank you Agha, I've made the changes in the article. ... BTW any idea what the assembly does when it meets every six months? Are those meetings confidential? --Leroy65X 14:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
their website[7] lists what each committee does and how they function, the two important ones:
  • 107/109 commission: composes a list of people who can become the leader.
  • 111 commission: decides if the current leader continues to have all the criteria mentioned in the constitution. Members of assembly report to this committee about the issues concerning the current leader, and the committee can then order an emergency meeting of the assembly. If the committee denies this, the members can ask the general assembly for a vote, and if most of the members of assembly decide, there will be an emergency meeting of the assembly for discussing the current leader.
the reports are confidential.
I think this may be included in the article as well--Gerash77 20:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I put this in the article along with some reorganization.
One last question: are the 107/109 and 111 "commissions" or "committees"? It reads "Members of assembly report to this committee," but above that there is only a mention of "commissions." --Leroy65X 16:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Persian word used in their website is komisiion from french word commission, which could be translated as both commission or committee. I meant the same when I used 'commission' and 'committee'. I don't know the difference between these two words!--Gerash77 18:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise, in the absence of such a superiority, they shall elect and declare one of them as the Leader. Here, "Them" means any of those "possessing general popularity or special prominence for any of the qualifications of leadership"--Gerash77 18:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Number and distribution of the assembly of Experts[edit]

Can someone cite the source that describes how many assembly members each province can elect? For example why does Tehran have 16 members while Kerman has three. Is it based on population where the more populated provinces have more members? I am interested in the answer, but more interested in a citation of Iranian law as mentioned in Article 108 of the Iranian Constitution. Throckmorton Guildersleeve (talk) 15:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

dismissal of Montazeri[edit]

I deleted the sentence stating, that the Assembly of Experts disinvested Montazeri. As I remember

-- Khomeini dismissed him (and a source for this is given)

-- intimidated, Montazeri, resigned from his position as "crown prince"

-- AFTERwards the constitution was emended giving the Council of Experts the power to dismiss a designed leader-in-waiting.

If anybody can give sources for

a) the assembly having had this power already in 1989

b) exercising this (presumed) power,

please change the wording of that paragraph again and give the sources.

Of course, confirmation for the "facts" as I remember them, is welcome too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.107.81 (talk) 09:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just had a look at wiki article on Montazeri confirming my memory. There – on the authority of Moin's book on Khomeiny – it says that Kh. anounced M.'s resignation with M. not contradicting. The assembly undersigned this by later electing another leader.
I would be grateful if someone could check when the assembly was given the power to dis-elect an elected successor. I believe it was only after the Montazeri affair.

85.178.90.41 (talk) 12:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Editing table[edit]

How do I add a name to the Iranian Assembly of Experts election, 2006 table? Where can the table be editted??

I can't even post the code for the table as I get this message:

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assembly leadership needs work[edit]

just fodder for someone else to note, Rafsanjani's out as president and there seems to be some strangeness with who are the vice presidents. If I understand things right, the 1st VP is born in Najaf and used to run SCIRI there which is tied to Ayatollah Sistani. TMLutas (talk) 07:05, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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