Talk:Ashikaga shogunate

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MILHIST B-class checklist[edit]

This article's main flaw is sourcing. Improve that and perhaps flesh out the sections some, and it should have no problem passing B-class criteria. Parsecboy (talk) 20:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign relations[edit]

I did add "Category:Edo period" to an article about a Joseon diplomat who traveled to Japan during the years of the Tokugawa shogunate. It was wrong in the context of Yeo Ui-son (Yǒ ǔi-gye) who lived at the beginning of the 15th century. This mistake produced an apples and oranges response; but perhaps the following has a relevant and constructive aspect :

Caspian blue proposed the following hypothetical: "...if I add Category:Joseon Dynasty to the article of Ashikaga shogunate, how long do you think it would last? I bet it be removed just in a minute to a day."

In response, I posted the following:

Caspian blue -- yes. As you suggested, I did add add Category:Joseon Dynasty to the article about the Ashikaga shogunate. Also, I did edit this article by adding a "Foreign relations" sub-subsection having a single sentence.
Foreign relations
The Ashikaga shogunate's foreign relations policy choices were played out in evolving relationships with the Joseon Dynasty on the Korean peninsula [1] and in changing relationships with the Imperial Chinese court.[2]
I invite you to join me in discovering how this sentence fares over the coming week? I also invite you to join me in learning how the new Joseon Dynasty category will be received? Tenmei 07:38, 13 October 2009

References

  1. ^ Titsingh, Isaac. (1834). Annales des empereurs du japon, p. 320-342; Kang, Etsuko H. (1997). Diplomacy and Ideology in Japanese-Korean Relations: from the Fifteenth to the Eighteenth Century, p. 49, 39, 72, 275; Ferris, William. (2009). Japan to 1600: a Social and Economic History, p. 181; Hall, John Whitney. (1997). The Cambridge History of Japan: Early Modern Japan, p. 242; Lee, Sang Oak et al. (1998). Perspectives on Korea, p. 268; Kang, Jae-eun et al. (2006). The Land of Scholars: Two Thousand Years of Korean Confucianism, p. 241.
  2. ^ Ackroyd, Joyce. (1982) Lessons from History: The "Tokushi Yoron", p. 329; Titsingh, pp. 322-324.

The question becomes interesting. What next? --Tenmei (talk) 07:57, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

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Tributary state status[edit]

The citations given for this do not support the statement that Japan was a tributary state of Ming China in this period. It is true that tribute envoys were despatched from Japan from 1401 onward -- though there were intermittent suspensions of relations with China e.g. from 1411 to 1432. It is not clear to me that this makes Japan a tributary state, which does not appear to be a term used in the sources given. Moreover, given that after around 1450 the Bakufu was no longer taking a direct interest in the trade with China, the term seems inappropriate anyway. I have therefore removed the note from the article, though I'm open to putting it back if it's noted more accurately / adequately supported by sources. —Nizolan (talk) 04:45, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Old page history[edit]

Some old page history that used to be at the title "Ashikaga shogunate" is now at Talk:Ashikaga shogunate/Old history. Graham87 08:49, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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