Talk:Arland D. Williams Jr.

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Tag Response[edit]

In response to the clean-up tag: Article is repetitive.--68.35.207.220 02:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The complaint was legitimate. Somehow, the article got garbled. I beleive I have fixed this cleanup problem and removed the flag. Thanks. Vaoverland 10:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pinned to fuselage?[edit]

The article is a bit confusing at key points. For instance, was Mr. Williams the one described as "pinned to the fuselage"? If so, it would cast quite a different light on his actions. While still heroic, passing the rope when he couldn't move was something other than passing it purely to have others rescued first... JDG 00:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Williams was apparently caught in some way (probably by leg) to the small portion of the tail which initially remained afloat. We will never know if the helicopter and rope would have been able to lift him free, with our without the unknown piece of the airplane. Instead of struggling to free himself or enlist help of others, it is clear that he did turn his attention to the other victims and give up the rope more than once. The article does note that he was incapacitated to some extent, so a reader can draw their own opinion how heroic that was. Vaoverland 07:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Having myself been immersed in freezing water, I can tell you that there is no greater imperative than to GET OUT of it. It doesn't matter that he was trapped -- he spent his last moments and and effort saving other lives rather than concentrating on freeing himself. This is the purest definition of heroism. EVERY hero is trapped. 166.70.191.224 (talk) 18:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Cost of Heroism?[edit]

Not to impugn Mr. Williams sacrifice, but should any notice be made in this article of the fact that, as Mr. Williams' own daughter has said, his death basically destroyed his family? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.84.19.246 (talk) 15:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A long article of relevance at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21902983/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.25.58.191 (talk) 11:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so he sacrificed his family to save five others. I consider this a win, and I'm sure he does too. 166.70.191.224 (talk) 18:16, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's possible to be so unequivocal. --Saforrest (talk) 22:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't exactly figure that he knew what would happen to his family after his death. He just wanted to help those he felt needed help. And003 (talk) 06:24, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 May 2016[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page moved. wbm1058 (talk) 03:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Arland D. Williams, Jr. → Arland D. Williams Jr. – Per recent changes of using WP:JR as the preferred style for biographical articles without the usage of commas. ApprenticeFan ^work 09:43, 6 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but since this is just a revert of an old undiscussed move, only impeded because a bot tagged the redirect, and since all recent consensus supports it, it should have been done as a technical request. Dicklyon (talk) 01:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.