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Yanksox neutrality objection

Yanksox, please tell me what statement you question the neutrality of. If it is the store projections, I spoke with management at a visit. All the employees will tell you about the 5th and 6th stores. It is possible that you might be correct in questioning the objectivity of 2007 projections because I am not sure if an it has been released to the public officially yet. Let me know if this is the only objection. Tony The Tiger 14:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Sources

There are still not non-trivial published sources independent of the company. I am considering a re-afd. - CrazyRussian talk/email 19:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. It has come along, but not at the pace that I had hoped. Has it been mentioned in any Chicagoland news sources ro magazines recently? youngamerican (ahoy-hoy) 19:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
How many times are you going to afd it before the vote of no-consensus will matter? User:PanAndScan 22:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Not too many. Basically, as long as it continues to fail core WP policies. - CrazyRussian talk/email 22:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

References and External Links added

I've added a number of independent references and external links. This clearly meets WP:V and WP:CORP. User:PanAndScan 20:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Flatiron location images

I have found the following pictures of the flatiron location:

  1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/supermac/5815186831/
  2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ozzzie/32660724/
  3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/skibinski/5538354919/

Let me know if any of them stands out.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:09, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

The supermac image looks slightly out of focus to me. The ozzzie image looks over-sharpened. I like the skibinski better than the other two, because it's in focus and it shows the building in the context of its surroundings. I'm always hesitant about using images with identifiable strangers in them, but the people in the skibinski image don't appear to be doing anything that would subject them to ridicule. I think it's OK on those grounds. Another possibility is File:Edificio Fuller (Flatiron) en 2010 desde el Empire State crop.jpg, which is used in the infobox of Flatiron Building. Also worth considering is the uncropped original, File:Edificio Fuller (Flatiron) en 2010 desde el Empire State.jpg, which shows more of the context than the cropped version and is more sharp. Finetooth (talk) 17:43, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Tea with toast (talk · contribs) 08:57, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

For an update, I'm about halfway through this review, and things are looking good so far. I thought I was going to have enough time today to finish this, but that will have to wait until next weekend. In the meantime, Checklinks found that ref#31 is dead (strangely, it looks like it fell dead 8 days after the retrieval date), so there is something to work on until I come back to finish up next weekend. Happy editing! --Tea with toast (話) 04:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I have archived the proper page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:19, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Issues needing to be addressed

  • In the first paragraph of the "Products" section, there is a nice timeline give in about the growth of the tea industry during the early 2000s, going from 2003 to 2010. But then the last sentence deviates from that: "By 2002, there were 1,100 tearooms with sit-down service". This sentence should either be followed by something like "as of 2011, this number has grown to X tearooms", or placed earlier in the paragraph or simply removed.
  • Right now the "Social efforts" is rather bias as it is overly promoting of the supposed health benefits of tea. Citing one or two journal articles does not give a representative view of the topic. If you read the article "Health effects of tea" you will find negative studies to go along with the positive ones. Don't try to debate that research in this article. The focus here should be that Argo tea is of the belief that tea is healthy, and they are the ones advocating for its use in research. The paragraph should also start with a topic sentence.
  • The same problems also pertain to the second paragraph in "Social efforts". Right now it lacks a topic sentence and seems to over-glorify Argo tea's environmental record. Simply state the facts and verify them with references. Example: "Argo tea advocates for sustainability [cite]...they adopt the following business policies [cite]...and maybe they do it in other ways, like donating to some charity or something"

That should be all. I will place this article on hold until these issues can be addressed. --Tea with toast (話) 05:14, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Review

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    Thank you for taking care of the items I had listed above. I am pleased with the development of the article. To suggest a few items to use to improve the article further:
  • The first paragraph of the "Products" section could be updated. It looks like the last ref dates to 2005. It gives a projected forecast of growth to 2010 – did that growth actually occur? I think it would be good to expand the notion that perhaps part of the reason Argo tea has become so successful was because it was able to capitalize on the growing tea market (which they may have a part in helping to develop).
  • I think the idea that the growth of the tea market was simultaneous with the growth of Argo is something worth adding to the lead.
  • The lead mentions that shops opened in Boston and St. Louis, but this is not found in the body of the text. When you mention that Argo is active in 4 cities, I think you should list them.
  • You mention in the lead about the lifestyle perspective and the modern design. You could expand upon this in the text, perhaps even creating a new section discussing the vision/philosophy/design concept. The lead image gives impression that there might be a story behind the architecture. You might pull items from other sections (like the "Mac" comparison) to broaden the new section.

I look forward to the future growth of the article. Happy editing! --Tea with toast (話) 16:34, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

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Needs update

This article seems to stop 8 or 9 years ago. The latest date mentioned is 2011 or 2013. The outlet where I first encountered this chain 2018 seems to have closed a month later. Is Argo Tea still expanding? Stable? —Prairieplant (talk) 07:38, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

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