Talk:Archibald Carey Jr.

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Is he any relation to Archibald Carey, Sr., the preacher that influenced the speeches of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.? Speciate 01:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Response: He was the son of Archibald Carey, Sr, who died in 1931.(http://www.blackpast.org/?q=aah/carey-archibald-j-sr-1868-1931) There are some people who claim that Martin Luther King, Jr. used Carey, Junior's previous speech for his own "I Have a Dream" speech.

Archibald Carey, Jr. delivered a speech to the Republican National Convention in 1952, where he said:

"We, Negro Americans, sing with all loyal Americans: My country 'tis of thee, Sweet land of liberty, Of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, Land of the Pilgrims' pride From every mountainside Let freedom ring! That's exactly what we mean -- from every mountain side, let freedom ring. Not only from the Green Mountains and White Mountains of Vermont and New Hampshire; not only from the Catskills of New York; but from the Ozarks in Arkansas, from the Stone Mountain in Georgia, from the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia -- let it ring not only for the minorities of the United States, but for the disinherited of all the earth -- may the Republican Party, under God, from every mountainside, LET FREEDOM RING!"

Snopes and Truth or Fiction both consider the claim that MLK, Jr. plagiarized from this speech to be extremely weak. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/mlking.asp http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/mlk.htm

According to the 'Blackpast.org' encyclopedia entry linked above, Carey, Jr. was friends with Dr. King and worked with him and supported his efforts. Carey Jr. left the Republican party and joined the Democrat party in 1966.

(personal note- I have previously confined my rare Wikipedia contributions to correcting grammar or spelling in articles as I come across them, so I am probably doing something wrong, but I hope not). --DeputyHeadmistress (talk) 20:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Too primary? The argument in "i have a dream" is that MLK copyrighted the article so wiki could not print it. This is the most newsworthy thing this person has done. Without this speech, he would not be in wiki, nor comsidered newsworthy by anyone except historians from the Republican party.

What he really said was "We, Negro Americans, sing with all loyal Americans: My country 'tis of thee, Sweet land of liberty, Of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, Land of the Pilgrims' pride From every mountainside Let freedom ring! That's exactly what we mean--from every mountain side, let freedom ring. Not only from the Green Mountains and White Mountains of Vermont and New Hampshire; not only from the Catskills of New York; but from the Ozarks in Arkansas, from the Stone Mountain in Georgia, from the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia--let it ring not only for the minorities of the United States, but for the persecuted of Europe, for the rejected of Asia, dis(en)franchised of South Africa and for the disinherited of all the earth--may the Republican Party, under God, from every mountainside, LET FREEDOM RING [2] 24.23.89.145 (talk) 20:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC) It is completely ridiculous to have the speech mentioned on a MLK page and not listed here. If you think it is too primary, then suggest a quote that is more appropriate and don't just delete my posts without explaining them. I don't see any admin rights on your page, why should your version be superior to anyone else's?? 24.23.89.145 (talk) 20:39, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've been around this block, you haven't. Moreover, I've read WP:SECONDARY. The speech is mentioned on bunches of pages, so don't be silly. I haven't deleted any posts, and I have explained everything--though obviously not in a way that makes sense to you. All the best. Drmies (talk) 21:40, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright?[edit]

What is the copyright status of the speech? The entire speech doesn't belong on the Wikipedia page for the author (see WP:LONGQUOTE), but I'm trying to figure out whether to move it to Wikisource, or to just link to an audio file of it. Plandu (talk) 02:13, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I dealt with this by including a citation that links to a Google Books page with the text of the speech. If someone has a better solution, feel free to implement it. Plandu (talk) 03:18, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]