Talk:Antimonumento +43

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Did you know... that the anti-monument to the 43 students kidnapped in 2014 (pictured) was also dedicated to the thousands of people reported missing in Mexico?

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@Tbhotch: Thanks for your work on this draft! I hope you have plans to move this page into the main space soon, and perhaps even nominate for Good article status when the time feels right. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:12, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer: yes, tomorrow I will finish it as Thursdays are now my free day only. I created it for this year anniversary. Thanks. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 17:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 00:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Antimonumento +43

... that the anti-monument to the 43 students kidnapped eight years ago today (pictured) was also dedicated to the thousands of people reported missing in Mexico? Source: Number 1 in the article. Note, it will download a PDF.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Serious Sam: Tormental
- Comment: Created for September 26. If it is not run on that date, it should be tweaked.

Created by Tbhotch (talk). Self-nominated at 05:46, 3 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Doing... –LordPeterII (talk) 19:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - unsure

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Looks like a good article, but there are several things that need to be addressed:

Earwig's finds a possible copyright violation, and it's because of the original Spanish quote, which is currently as a note in the article. Do we need it, or can we just assume good faith in your translation skills? I've honestly not much experience with such issues, and would ask a senior editor if you want to keep the Spanish text.
Because of that, the sculpture became the first of its kind in Mexico – isn't the "because of that" superflous here? I find the sentence to read a little weird.
After the subsequent installation of other unnamed anti-monuments, the Antimonumento +43 began to be called like that because of its physical characteristics, although it is also known by other names – again, not really clear: If all were unnamed, how did the others cause it to be named, and "because of its physical characteristics"? And what are the other names it is known by?
Demonstrators added the slogan of those seeking justice for the case – where to? Is it that text visible at the bottom of the picture (my limited Spanish skills and intuition suggest that)?
and subsequently installed a complement, a concrete turtle – again, where? Is the turtle nearby?
where they held an intercity bus driver – what does "held" mean here? Held at gunpoint?
were holding an event that would be affected by the students – does this imply "negatively affected"? Like, the students' protests were 'annoying' the mayor? It's not clear as written.
They handed out flyers titled "+43, an anti-monument for memory and justice". – the paragraph ending with this is not cited (or, if it is in the same ref as the quote, that's currently not clear).

There might be other minor things that I haven't noticed yet. None of these are terrible, but without adjustments and clarity on the copyright concerns this can't run. –LordPeterII (talk) 20:00, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@LordPeterII: I don't know how you have concluded that the addition of a long copyrighted quote qualifies as a WP:Copyright infringement issue. For the rest of the review, I'll fix it no later than the next Thursday. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 15:52, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@LordPeterII: All changes done. The usage of the Spanish quotation is covered by MOS:QUOTEFOREIGN. I removed it for the DYK purposes, though. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 15:52, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Tbhotch: Maybe you are right about the quote... wasn't sure about it. If you think it is useful, I wouldn't oppose bringing it back. Most issues fixed. I still feel they deprived an intercity bus driver is just as unclear as "held", and I have not heard "deprived" being used in this way. But I gather it means they more or less abducted the bus, and forced the bus driver to drive the bus where they wanted it? Still, I'm not holding back the nomination over a minor wording issue, and I reckon it will be fixed soon enough.

Approve (AGF for foreign language source). –LordPeterII (talk) 15:47, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

slogan[edit]

wouldn't Because they were taken alive, we want them back alive read a lot better than the current Because alive they were taken, alive we want them back ? sounds more like john donne than a 20th century protest slogan. i'll check back in a couple days, if there are no serious objections i'll change it Potholehotline (talk) 12:39, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not opposed to it. The quality is subpar because the anniversary was approaching and I didn't have too much time to overthink what I was translating. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 04:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

cool, thanks for translating it-- and john donne rocks, it just doesn't fit a contemporary slogan, a 21st century one, not 20th like i said above Potholehotline (talk) 01:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]