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Picture

Someone recently uploaded a really good pic of her, but it got deleted by the copyright police... I am not a wikipedia picture expert (it's like you have to be a copyright lawyer or something) but whoever uploaded that last pic - - it was great...SO much better than the one on here now. If anyone can figure out wikipedia's incredibly confusing copyright policy and re-upload that pic, it would make this bio much better. I would do it myself, but even after following every rule, every step of the way, my pic was still deleted.

List of Drugs?=

Maybe I am mistaken, but footage on ET reciently showed a variety of drugs that included Topamax. Now Topamax promotes a loss of bicarbonate from the urine through its carbonic anhydrase inhibitor effects, the net result is to promote acidosis. It lists in the package insert of Topamax (found on drugs@fda website) that other drugs or therapies that promote acidosis (narcotics do this by increasing CO2 levels) might increase the acidosis.

The FDA listed package insert does not explictly list narcotics in the drug interactions section, but such an interaction is implied in its discussion metabolic acidosis promoted by Topamax. This might be an oversite for the package insert information, which forces the doctor to connect the dots to figure out the drug interaction.````rblythe1@verizon.net

Supposed PETA petition to end Canadian seal hunt?

Can anyone verify this? I wouldn't question it except that the article states PeTA sent the petition in her memory to Prime Minister Paul Martin - the problem with this is that Paul Martin has not been the prime minister of Canada for some time now. Stephen Harper is the current PM, and was when Anna Nicole's death occurred. Again, I wouldn't question it except for that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.186.143.34 (talk • contribs).

Neutrality

Question about the inheritance court cases... What exactly is not neutral about it? The tag has been there for a while. 129.120.86.71 00:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Anna Nicole Smith and Marilyn Monroe

Anna Nicole Smith and Marilyn Monroe were third cousins, twice removed. Monroe's mother was Gladys Pearl Monroe, the daughter of Otis Monroe and Della Hogan. Della was the daughter of Tilford Marion Hogan. Anna Nicole's great-great-great grandpa was Tilford's brother, John Hogan. They are the sons of George Hogan and Sarah Owens who lived near Quincy, Adams County, Illinois. Computer 03:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Which virus helped contibute to her death?

Most of the newspapers mention that a virus contributed to her death (along with the drugs and recent bacterial infection). Are there any aricles that mention WHAT virus? Antmusic 17:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

According to the Smoking Gun report, initial testing suggested Norwalk virus, however this wasn't confirmed in subsequent testing. Tests were influenza A and B were negative. So it's not clear which exact virus was responsible (not uncommon, as viral testing can be inconclusive). Andrew73 18:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Drug names

I think the INN names should be used i.e. Clonazepam, Lorazepam and Diazepam. --212.56.109.125 14:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The Anna Nicole Dictionary?

I just got into the musician dictionary site a few days ago, and I found the celebrity dictionary. The site is really week, but has potential. Can anyone from here come help me start the dictionary?

celebritydictionary.com/wiki/Anna_Nicole_Smith 

I'll try to add as much as possible in between working! ;)

Thanks. I think it would be cool to have a super long dictionary like some of the bands on the musician dictionary site. (musiciandictionary.com)

216.205.224.64 17:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Death

Antidepressants were not in her system... benzodiazapenes were. Whoever is not locked out, please change this. -- source (actual report from dr. perper) http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0326071anna1.html . Benzodiazapenes are not anti-depressants...apparently even perper was confused about this. They are sedatives.

Actually, topiramate is used as a mood stabilizer, for depression, especially for manic depression. I believe it's off label though, not sure. You are correct it that most of the drugs listed are of the benzodiazipine family. Too many for one doctor to prescribe, at least a ethical one.
Since there is no legal action expected against the doctor(s) (yet, anyway) it can be assumed the drugs were either prescribed by different doctors not knowing other meds she was taken, or she was taking someone else's prescription in addition to those she was prescribed. In news reports, it's been stated that there were no illegal drugs in her room or near her, I don't think they said there were no illegal drugs in her system. Prescription drugs can be illegal, such as when abused, so is doctor shopping and taking someone else's DEA controlled drugs is illegal too. Jeeny 18:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Jeeny, to split a licit hair: I think you're confusing illegal drugs and illegal behavior. None of the drugs identified are illegal, but as you suggest, they may have been obtained illegally. That's the distinction that led to my reverting your edit. Cheers,

Bellagio99 19:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha. You are correct, illegal behavior is different than illegal drugs. I read it as insinuating that there was nothing illegal going on, but that was not the issue. Even though I believe her behavior contributed to her death. But, that's not for me to decide nor assume. Good call on the revert, Bellagio. Cheers. :) __Jeeny 01:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Btw, why does the article state that "Although the individual levels of any of the drugs in her system would not have been sufficient to cause death, the combination of these drugs led to her death"? This is contradicted by the full autopsy report page 12 which reveals that the levels of chloral hydrate metabolites alone were way above the lower limits of those encountered in chloral hydrate deaths, and closer to the average of fatal overdose (TCE 75 ug/ml, of 14 lethal overdoses encountered the concentration was 20 to 240 ug/ml with 119 ug/ml being average). So while the autopsy report concludes that death was caused by cloral hydrate and other drugs in combination, it DOES NOT state that cloral hydrate alone could not have caused death or that such result would have been unlikely. At the minimum, this sentence needs to mention a source backing it, because the autopsy report has nothing like that.

I wrote this sentence because the autopsy report concluded that the the cause of death was "acute combined drug toxicity" -- not CL overdose or even "multiple drug toxicity". However, I just looked at the page you specified and see the issue. I agree that if she ingested a fatal amount, then it is a CL overdose - regardless of what else was in her system. I suppose that is why CL is listed as the "toxic/lethal" drug on page 1...but on the summary page, it is listed with the benzos and benadryl - not alone. I don't know if you saw the actual live press conference, but a lot more was said during that. Speficially, one important thing is that Perper said, in the full press conference on MSNBC, that she had been using CL for a very long time and had a tolerance to that and the benzos. Therefore, she routinely took more than the average person would take. Since her TCA levels were so high, it's clear that she was at least taking the CL for a few days - and interviews (in the investigative report and what he alluded to in the press conference) revealed that it went on for much longer. Anyway, I have made some updates to this section, but change it if you see fit. The sad part is what I think really happened... the Cipro blocked her GABA receptors (it's known to do this) and she was drinking caffeine all day, making her go into benzo withdrawal AND be way too hyper from the caffeine. So, she took too much CL because she couldn't fall asleep. But, whatever... just my own speculation (and there's an article on fox news about it too - but not about the benzo part).

I think it also needs to be stated that ANS's long time idol Marilyn Monroe died of almost exactly the same kind drug overdose (also most likely suicide). Add that to Daniel Smith's undetermined cause, quite possibly suicidal, death of also due to combined drug overdose, I think it's a mighty coincidence if this wasn't a suicide. The autopsy report lists significant number of reasons to suspect suicide, but also a long list of reasons to reject it. It's a matter of interpretation, which factors are considered more important than others. As for this judgement call, while probably nobody cares, I think suicide is clearly the more likely alternative. Even if she didn't do it "properly" in a clearly meditated manner, previous occasions (like the pool incident) clearly shows complete disregard for her own health and safety, so that this result should have been expected even if she only drank half of the Noctec bottle and not until it was completely empty. Because that's the only difference for me to a relatively clear cut suicide scene considering all the other evidence. --85.156.132.198 06:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't she have taken at least one of the drugs in extreme levels? I mean, how would she have been able to guess the exact combination? She probably took a very similar thing the night before - based on her TCA levels (inactive metabolite of chloral hydrate). Anyway, it's very hard to guess what is going to kill you when combining drugs. A few mg here / a few there... she could've lived. She probably overdid it by 1 tablespoon. Perper said in his press conference that she took 3 tablespoons. If she took 1, she'd probably be alive - even with all of the 8 drugs (in relatively small amounts). So, yes...it's open to interpretation, but it just doesn't seem like a suicide. Perper's team comprised of like 30 people and they were all pretty objective (just imagine how many suicides they see...) Anyway, her fascination with Marilyn Monroe was diminishing over time - it said in one of the reports.

Valid and Reliable Sources?

TMZ.com and Hollywood.com have popped up here as attributions for ANS death stuff. I wonder if ANS experts consider TMZ.com and Hollywood.com to be valid and reliable sources for ANS facts. I consider them in the same class as National Enquirer and Star -- that is not reliable. Am I wrong? Bellagio99 18:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I thought the same thing. But, she was mostly in the tabloids anyway, and there are a few that are credible. This is because of lawsuits, and such. Yet TMZ, and few others like it, source their victims, celebs quite well and accurately. ANS was not actually famous for any great work, and was mainly as gossip and reality show fodder. Thus, I believe those sources fit, in this circumstance. Yet, I am able to give in if others believe strongly against it, and can source better. I did not source the TMZ article, and tried to research only for some other information about that last bit of the 11 prescriptions none was in her name. I reworded it some, to be more encyclopedic, instead of tabloid reporting. I couldn't find any sources. Yet, if TMZ is making it up, they will be destroying their credibility, I really believe they do NOT want this. They are building quite the reputation, not for nonsense either. They are backed, unlike other tabloid types, by big corporations, such as AOL and I forget the other. The owner is on the news often, during the celebrity segments of course, even on CNN. ABC, NBC, and other basic networks, besides cable. Jeeny 19:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Pretty in Pink

I agreed with Jeeny. Pink IS ANS' color, and suitable for the picture caption. Bellagio99 12:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Yea I like the pink too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.30.14.122 (talk • contribs). 21:27, May 26, 2007

Larry Birkehead

He's the father. As soon as the details are up, someone post it. -zblewski


I just saw it on TV them saying that and they are saying there is still some type of gag order--Sexecutioner 19:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Larry Birkhead, is the daddy. Just be sure to add the varifiable sources. GoodDay 21:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


I don't have the experience with adding to articles but there is one on comcast.net and cnn.com

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/10/smith.baby/index.html[1]

http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2007/04/10/632935.html[2] --Sexecutioner 21:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


Siblings

Considering how many of Anna's siblings are cashing in on this spectacle does anyone know how many siblings she actually has?
I read somewhere that she has an older half-brother David Luther Tacker on her mother's side (presumably a son from a previous marriage of Virgie's). A younger half-brother Donald Hart Jr (presumably her mother's son with Anna's step father Donald Hart sr). A younger half-brother Donald Hogan Jr from her father's side (lol she has two half-siblings with the same first name). And two younger half sisters Donna Hogan and Amy Hogan also from Anna's father side of the family.
Assuming this can be verified would it be worth listing her various half-siblings in the article? --ksofen666
Oops never mind looks like the article mentions all of them...my mistake. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.208.23.16 (talk) 00:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Cover of PMOY issue listed for deletion

Please see Images for Deletion listing for Image:Playboy June 1993.jpg, where it is asserted that the image is unnecessary; the regular contributors of this article should give their editorial judgment there as to what informational value the cover serves (or doesn't serve). Cheers, Postdlf 22:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Birthplace

This article states that she was born in Houston, and as reference gives the Texas Birth Index. However the index only states that she was born in Houston County, not in Houston (city). I think we should change this article to state Houston County unless another source can be found. Wjhonson 18:47, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Move to Vicky Lynn Marshall

This article should be moved to Vicky Lynn Marshall since that was her birth name. --Hetfield1987 (Wesborland | James Hetfield) 00:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, since this is supposed to be an encyclopedia for the masses, perhaps the name by which she's known to the masses would be preferable... Unless you also want to move say Marilyn Monroe to Norma Jeane Mortenson? ;-) Cheers, Ian Rose 00:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
If you renamed this page to Vicky Lynn Marshall, then we should rename Madonna (entertainer) to Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone Ritchie and Fergie (singer) to Stacy Ann Ferguson. I suggest leaving this page as it is; more people will search for "Anna Nicole Smith" than "Vicky Lynn Hogan". Acalamari 01:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with all of the above. Typing the stage name would redirect you to the article anyway so that wouldn't be a problem. --Hetfield1987 (Wesborland | James Hetfield) 19:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

See WP:NC(CN). hbdragon88 05:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Not Dead?

Wikipedia doesn't have a date of death. Because this is the sum of all human knowledge, does that mean she's really alive??? Killa Kitty 19:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I know. And the article on her death redirects to this article. Has all the content related to the coverage of her death been lost? It's a mess. Anchoress 02:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind. Restored most recent version. Anchoress 02:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, her time of death was a lie. I think, I didn't read the Article Megan :) 05:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubyandme (talk • contribs) 01:03, July 28, 2007

Movie

{{editprotected}} Requesting promission to edit the page and add a "This article is about the playboy model and actress, for the biographical film see Anna Nicole (film)." because the article is on Wikipedia now and is under the same name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Any3893 (talk • contribs) 20:33, July 27, 2007

 Done. Melsaran (formerly Salaskаn) 18:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


Larry Dale Hart

Shouldn't the article mention her adoptive step-brother Larry Dale Hart? The violent criminal who claimed he never raped Anna Nicole in that ET interview. As I understand it Virgie's third husband Donald Hart adopted Virgie's kids but he also adopted Larry who was the child of his previous wife "Dixie" Joann Hilscher. Also Donald and Dixe had daughters named Shana (Shauna?) and Debbie I think....they would be Anna Nicole's step sisters.


Could this little tidbit be added to the article? ksofen666 3 August 2007

You're going to have to find authoritative sources for each of those claims. — Walloon 03:44, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Virgie's first husband was her step-brother

According to several things I've read Virgie's mother Paralee Allman married George William Tacker. George is the father of Virgie's first husband David Luther Tacker. Thus Virgie's oldest child David Luther Tacker Jr. was fathered by her step-brother! ksofen666 21:07, 3 August 2007

Find an authoritative source for that claim. — Walloon 03:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge Judge Seidlin here

A proposal to merge Judge Larry Seidlin's article is listed on his page. There's nothing much here about the custody trial, so why not set up a separate subheader/subsection for it under the death details, call it "Custody Trial" and merge Seidlin's historical contribution to the article?--Bamadude 18:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Biography of a living person?

Why is this article tagged as a Biography of a living person? Anna Nicole Smith has been dead for practically 8 months. James E. Zavaleta Talk 19:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

For some reason, Spitfire19 added the living person tag, and also the hoax and semi-protected tags to this article. Anna Nicole Smith is not a living person or a hoax, and no administrators have protected this page. As such, I have removed those tags. Acalamari 20:53, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Information Given About POTM

It should be clearly stated that Anna was POTM, for May 1992. Not all POTMs are on the cover and I do not know if she was on the cover. But she WAS selected as Playboy's Miss May 1992: http://www.playboy.com/worldofplayboy/features/anna-nicole-smith/

This is incorrect: "by Hugh Hefner to appear on the cover of the March 1992 issue of Playboy," This is correct: "by Hugh Hefner to be Playmate of the Month for the May 1992 issue of Playboy," —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.219.212.236 (talk) 05:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Freshman? Sophomore?

People outside North America do not know what these mean. Giving her age when she left school would be more illuminating. 80.0.106.88 (talk) 17:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

My Bad Edit

I've gotten quite a few messages saying that I have edited articles and added bad information. It only says it when I don't login to my account. It says someone using my IP address edited the article, No one else on my computer visits this site, and if they do, I highly doubt they try to edit it. So why do I keep getting them? Is it my neighbors? Someone with the same IP address? (I know near to nothing about comptuers and especially IP addresses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tydamann (talk • contribs) 20:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

citation needed

{{editprotected}} Please put a {{fact}} after the line "Mark Hatten aka Mark "Hollywood" Hatten also came forward to claim that he was the father of Anna Nicole Smith's little girl, Dannielynn."

This really should be removed until cited, not just tagged. Also, since the page is only semiprotected, editprotected requests shouldn't be used here. Any username more than a few days old can edit the page. — Carl (CBM · talk) 14:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I have removed the poor source on Paralee Allman's marriage to Virgie's stepfather. No matter how good a researcher is, they are not a reliable source unless previously published by a third-party.Wjhonson (talk) 09:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Lesbian

This article should include mentions of Anna's relationship with Sandi Powledge[3]. Also, please stop removing the LGBT banner.--65.208.187.194 (talk) 23:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Donald Hogan's alleged wrongful death lawsuit

Donald Hogan was estranged father of Vickie L. Hogan. He was convicted child rapist whom raped Virgie's sister Kay aged 10. He abandoned his daughter Vickie when she was a baby. He doesn't have legal basis for wrongful death lawsuit. Oceanbuzz (talk) 21:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC) Donald Hogan died of lung cancer, and was buried on September 22, 2009. [User:Floydsmith/Floydsmith]] —Preceding undated comment added 10:57, 13 November 2009 (UTC).

Maternity/Paternity > Citizenship

Anna Nicole Smith was born in Mexia, Texas. Her son Daniel had died from an overdose like she did. Anna Nicole's daughter, Danielynn, her real dad, after the DNA testing is Larry Birkhead!

I think that changing "born to a U.S. citizen" to "since her biological mother was a U.S. citizen" is inaccurate. I am pretty sure that if the father was a U.S. citizen, that would be OK also. By the way, at some early adult age, the person has to elect to continue her/his U.S. citizenship. Bellagio99 20:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The rules for a biological or adoptive parent who is a US citizen to transmit his or her citizenship to a minor child are both complicated and frequently revised. One good source is American Citizens Abroad [1] Dick Kimball (talk) 18:30, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.aca.ch/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=44

Re O.J.'s claim to paternity, which someone reverted as foolish, both Fox and CBS News reported it tonight, although O.J.'s claim that they were lovers in 2005 but he has "slow moving sperm" does not seem plausible;-) After all, in his football days, he was "The Juice"! Bellagio99 01:33, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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Not Enough Anna, Too Much Recent News

Most of this article seems a bunch of news articles stitched to the stub of a biography, as indeed it is. The level of detail on the probate dispute is a microscopic play-by-play, hardly notable at all, while her biography is merely microscopic. There's more information here about her death than about her life. The estate dispute should go under "J. Howard Marshall" or "Estate of..." or something — putting it here in Anna Nicole's page is presumptuous, isn't it? This whole article needs to be vetted for notability and the majority of the list of insignificant news reports removed, in my opinion. --CorbettGM (talk) 17:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Considering her utter lack of talent, and there being no real reason to consider her "popular" in the first place, this entire article should be knowcked down to a paragraph or two. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.225.205 (talk) 00:05, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Actress?

Would it not be more appropriate for that to be preceded by 'pornographic'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.99.19 (talk) 13:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

  • (I know this is 6 years old but it needs to be addressed). The answer is no because she never acted in any pornographic films. People have differing moralities but porn films generally involve unsimulated graphic sexual activity and Smith never appeared in any such films. She appeared in several B-movies as a lead and had supporting roles in several major A-level films. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 15:07, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

passport file breach scandal

"More US passport 'file breaches'". BBC.co.uk. 27 March 2008. Retrieved 2008-03-27.

"Other Americans whose files had been viewed since January 2007 included late Playboy model Anna Nicole Smith, AP reports, citing unnamed officials."

Dorftrottel (harass) 10:42, March 27, 2008

Needs a better lead image

I know that we're restricted to using Commons images which are often awful, but I just checked and the Commons at least has a couple of images where Smith is recognizable. She isn't recognizable in the red-carpet image currently in use, to the point where I was compelled to check to make sure it was the correct person. IP bias means I can't change the image myself, but someone should go into Commons and pick a better one. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 15:10, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

If you mean IP bias as IP editors being prohibiting from editing some pages, you still can edit. You need simply make an account, which takes only a few minutes and edit to your heart's content (as long as it's open source for fair usage accepted! Be bold!Wzrd1 (talk) 15:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

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Dannielynn articles on WP.

I saw in the archived pages here that it was decided to delete a separate Dannielynn article. Since I read that, though, I stumbled upon these articles: Dannielynn Birkhead and Dannielynn Birkhead paternity case. At the least, it seems to me that the legal article should be merged into the biography article. The case article was last edited before a custody settlement was achieved, so leaves that dangling. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 01:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure all that legal case content should overwhelm the bio. I have placed an update tag on the case article. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:46, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

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Genealogy

John Bernard Brown added content on Anna Nicole Smith's genealogy, particularly regarding her distant relation to Marilyn Monroe and "by detailing the first Irish person in her line to come to the United States". The changes were reverted. There's some discussion and explanation regarding those edits at User talk:John Bernard Brown#Help me! 3, but this is a more central place to discuss changes to the article.

I do not think this genealogy should be added, for the following reasons: Wikipedia content should be a summary of what reliable secondary sources have reported about the subject. Genealogy websites, including ancestry.com, are not reliable by Wikipedia's standards (see e.g. the discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 188#Ancestry.com). The original birth and death certificates would be reliable, but they're also primary sources, and drawing these kinds of conclusions from them is original research (more specifically, original synthesis), something Wikipedia explicitly does not allow. Furthermore, since, according to John Bernard Brown, even Smith herself was unaware of the connection, it's a kind of trivia that did not in any way impact Smith's life. Our readers' understanding of Smith will not be improved by adding such trivia; even if there were some secondary source mentioning the connection, not everything that's ever published is fit to become part of our article. Huon (talk) 20:12, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

John Bernard Brown provided a source for the genealogical content: "Genealogy Magazine, April 2011. Family Tree of Anna Nicole Smith, p1." He apparently didn't read the source but assumed that it was from Genealogy.com. That's not so; it's from GenealogyMagazine.com, and it's not from 2011 but from 2007. An archived copy can be found here. I have doubts about that source's reliability (for example, it cites Wikipedia), and it doesn't fix the more basic issue: Wikipedia articles are not genealogical entries. "Family histories should be presented only where appropriate to support the reader's understanding of a notable topic." Information on Smith's great-great-great-grandfather does not support the readers' understanding of Smith. Huon (talk) 10:36, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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