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Linking to sections of discography when there is no album article[edit]

In a discussion taking place in the edit summaries of the history of the edits of the articles, Vmavanti initially deleted links to album information included in Ana's discography page, and mburrell restored the links. Vmavanti then commented that "everywhere else on this site, when you click on an album, you go to an album page, not to a discography", which sounded like a start of a conversation, so I am trying to move the discussion to the talk page.

I agree that linking to a discography page that only provides a list of albums is non-beneficial. However, most artists either have articles for the albums that can be linked to, or do not have information-heavy discography page. A few years back, some administrators decided that not every album should have an article, unless the album could be proven to be notable. During that discussion, they encouraged creating album information sections on the artist page or the discography page. At the time they mentioned No Justice as an example of how to set up information blocks for the albums, but I can no longer find any reference to that part of the conversation. I recently did create a similar layout for some artists, where all that was listed was basic release and producer information, plus track lists and times. However, as I did more of these album listings, I kepted including more information, such as can be seen on the Ana Popović discography article, where the information for each album now includes label, band members or contributing musicians, production personnel, and recording information. All this information is basically the information that would be found on an album article, except without paragraphs mentioning details of the album that make it notable enough to have it's own article. However, there is now enough information that anyone wanting to know the tracks on the album, how long the album is, who wrote the songs, or who played on the album are there, and so a re-direct link has been created to take readers to the album information. The wiki-link on the artist page is not just taking an information seeker to another list, but is taking them to information segment that is essentially an album article without the load on Wikipedia of creating an article.

There is enough information on the discography page that if someone wanted to do the extra effort to prove album notability, almost all the other work has been done to create an article. One album, Trilogy, did have an article created, so there is much less information included on the discography page for that album, although the track listing is still there so that the discography page has a similar look for each album.

All this is my explanation of why I feel that there is more to where an album wiki-link can and maybe should take you to the discography page and not always to only an album page or not exist. Mburrell (talk) 20:18, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why do call her Ana? Are you on a first-name basis with her?
It's worth asking how much information in a discography is really vital or worth knowing. The information usually exists somewhere else, so it isn't as though we're burying artifacts for posterity. More to the point, it's tough to avoid the logic of how things are done now. If an album has a blue link, you click on it, then you are taken to an article about the album. If it doesn't have a blue link, so what? Many albums that have articles aren't very good or even that notable. Much discography information doesn't interest the average reader, such as catalog numbers, matrix numbers, or whether an album was recording in the morning or the afternoon of April 2 or 3rd. I try to put myself in shoes of average readers and see it from their perspective.
For my part, I've read few album articles that have contributed much to my knowledge. Most of them are sparse or overlong. Many of them fall back on the opinions of critics, which are always debatable, if not dubious, or have unsourced opinions. I'm not a fan of cluttered pages or the compulsivity of more, more, more. I would rather see small entries done well than large entries done in a half-assed manner. I prefer less information properly sourced, well-written, and interesting than slapdash detail by someone at Starbucks tapping trivialities into their iphone. Discography pages themselves don't interest me much because they are hard to read and cluttered with information. I don't have strong feelings about this subject. I'm fine with a discopgrahy at the end of the musician's article which lists album name, label, and date of release, and nothing more. One category, one list, with blue links only if they lead to album pages. There is something to be said for remaining consistent with the rest of the site, esp. when the change you are suggesting would not be an improvement.
I would like to see an end to the overuse of the word "initially". I didn't "initially" change it. I changed it. Then you reverted it.
–Vmavanti (talk) 00:31, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Just a brief note on one fairly minor comment on the message above. I do not know Ana. In the article, I would use her last name, but for a discussion, I was keeping it informal for myself, and Ana is easier to type that Popovic, especially as my keyboard cannot do the accent on the top of the c on her last name, so I have to do a cut and paste to enter Popović, when I can just type three letters to say Ana.
On the other portion of your comment, I do not view an encyclopedia entry as information for the casual user. One goes to the encyclopedia to get detailed information. When I go to an album page, I expect to see the writers of every song. I cannot assume I know what other users are looking for, so I try to fill in as much data as possible that I know, so that each user can find the particular information they were hoping to find when they went and looked up the album in an encyclopedia. Mburrell (talk) 20:50, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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