Talk:Amir Kabir

Changes on 3/11/2012

- Addition of Demise/Dismissal Section; referenced - Removal of additional information regarding Bab and return to prior editions. Previously added extra information is unsubstantiated and biased. The uprising and ultimate execution of the Bab were appropriately mentioned in prior versions. - There should be further divisions in the background/achievement sections

Earlier Discussion

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Amir Kabir is considered a butcher and tyrant to millions who understand just what he did to Bab'i's and The Bab. The opening paragraph should include some mention of that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmehrabi (talk • contribs) 18:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Kmehrabi edit

I have reverted Kmehrabi edits again because it is problematic on many policies.

1. First of all, not a single statement is referenced &mdash Goes against verifiability.
2. Statements like "He is also widely considered a ruthless tyrant" are not only not referenced, but they are not neutral, and you would be stressed to find such a statement in a non-Baha'i source, which is what is needed here
3. Paragraphs talking about the station of the Bab and Baha'u'llah have no place in a page about Amir Kabir. undue weight states that statements should only made the amount of prominence given in reliable sources, and again you would be stressed to find such weight given in academic articles about the subject of the article
4. Statements "Amir Kabir is also regarded by millions of Bahá'ís" can never be substantiated. How do you know how every single Baha'i feels.
5. Using capitalization such as "execution of The Báb" is not neutral as it gives prominences to figures that are not seen by holy by most.

On the other hand, my edit, uses sources, uses neutral language, and keeps the section succinct and to the point. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 04:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello Kmehrabi; please try and refrain from removing what appears to be reliably referenced material from articles as in the Amir Kabir article. If what you're contending is true regarding Amir Kabir; for instance that he is reviled by many Baha'is, without too much difficulty, you should be able to produce a reference from a reliable source to substantiate what you're saying. If you add unreferenced material to an article (especially if you simultaneously remove referenced material) it gives other editors the impression that you are biased about the subject you're writing about and that the material you're adding is simply your personal opinion. It is very important that the information found in our encyclopedia can be verified through the use of reliable sources and that our editing practices are neutral; even if the subject we're writing about is close to our heart. It's also good to keep in mind; as Jeff3000 is rightfully pointing out; that this article's subject is Amir Kabir and the principle of "due weight" WP:UNDUE should be applied when you're adding material regarding Baha'i matters. In my opinion, adding a lot of detailed information regarding the Bab and Baha'ullah; even if it is reliably referenced, is not a good idea in terms of proper weight in this context. At the moment, in my opinion Jeff3000's referenced material should remain in place as is, until this matter is discussed on the article talk page and a consensus can be arrived at. Edit wars solve nothing in the long run; lets try and get some input on this subject from other editors as well. I'm also going to post this on the article's talk page. cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 06:03, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

His Death

The head of the article says that Amir Kabir was murdered in 1852, but that is the only mention of his death in the article, which really doesn't come to an end. We need an account of the end of his career and the nature and cause of his death. J S Ayer (talk) 01:19, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi J S Ayer. I agree that we need those portions. I had removed the last section recently, mainly because it was unsourced. I am agreeable to see it restored if it can be sourced properly.-Civilizededucation^talk 01:58, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Photograph??!

There was no photographer in Iran during Amir Kabir's time and this photo is obviously not his. Whoever has added it did not have any clue about the history of Amir Kabir's time.

The photo was wrong and misleading and I removed it. BrokenMirror2 (talk) 23:23, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

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Amir kabir

Mirza Taghi Khan-e Farahani (Persian: میرزا تقی‌خان فراهانی), better known as Amir Kabir (Persian: امیرکبیر‎, 9 January 1807 – 10 January 1852), also known by the title of Amir-e Nezam or Amir Nezam (امیرنظام), was chief minister to Naser al-Din Shah Qajar (Shah of Persia) for the first three years of his reign. He is widely considered to be "Iran's first reformer", a modernizer who was "unjustly struck down" as he attempted to bring "gradual reform" to Iran.[1] As the prime minister, he also ordered the killing of many Babis and the execution of the founder of the movement, the Báb. In the last years of his life he was exiled to Fin Garden in Kashan and was murdered by command of Naser al-Din Shah Qajar on 10 January 1852.[2] 151.245.105.237 (talk) 17:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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