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Deletion[edit]

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Someone added a deletion tag to the article, so I figured we should discuss here. I see no reason to delete the article. The season has been confirmed by multiple reliable sources. It stars a very prominent recording artist and a premiere date has been set. Just let the article snowball... ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:38, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

---Another Believer (Talk) 17:44, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what all this is about. We know that the season is confirmed (that was confirmed awhile ago), and we know what it will be called and who is one of the starring roles. Ten sources saying all that doesn't make the article itself notable.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:35, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion[edit]

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This page should not be speedily deleted because there is already a significant amount of media coverage. All the while it being announced via Lady Gaga. With multiple sources CONFIRMING the subtitle, Hotel. endalecomplex (contributions) • (talk) 17:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Tag should be removed. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:46, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@LLArrow: Please stop re-adding the tag. Multiple editors have requested that the tag be removed. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:51, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

THE TAG WILL BE REMOVED BY AN ADMINISTRATOR LEAVE IT IN PLACE UNTIL THEY REMOVE IT, OR I WILL BE REPORTING EACH USER THAT DOES. I don't care how many sources you find confirming the season title or Gaga, THAT IS NOT ENOUGH INFO TO JUSTIFY AN ENTIRE ARTICLE ON WIKIPEDIA. WAIT. LLArrow (talk) 17:54, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, the caps is not needed. Secondly, the tag itself says "If this article does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion, or you intend to fix it, please remove this notice", so there is no harm in removing the tag. I now see that I should not have removed the tag, since I created the article, but I did so only after someone else did. I apologize for removing the tag, but you should respect that multiple additional editors have also removed the tag with permission to do so. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I contest the deletion. It has been confirmed that the season is called Hotel and will star Lady Gaga. Also, @LLArrow:, if you want to talk about reporting other editors, might I inform you that it does state in wikipedia's civility policies that all caps are never acceptable. Pleas remain civil and mature when editing, otherwise you could be blocked by an admin.Cebr1979 (talk) 00:11, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

... and another. See section below. Please do not add the tag back to the article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:57, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

LLArrow, please see this diff and be respectful of other editors. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:04, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:GNG - There needs to be significant coverage to have an article. Announcement of a name and a cast member is not significant coverage. At this time, there is no need to have an entire for what is easily summarized in 2 sentences at American Horror Story#Season 5: Hotel (2015–16) (which, ironically, appears to be the case when you go to that page).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:32, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
GNG is a separate discussion. Previously, we were discussing speedy deletion, which is unnecessary. I don't think the article should be redirected, but if an action was required to take place to remove the article from the main space, a redirect is most appropriate. But speedy deletion tags and LLArrow's behavior were both uncalled for. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy deletion = No. I was not commenting on speedy deletion so much as article existence. Speedy deletion is when we aren't even sure that a show is going to exist, but this isn't the case. It should be redirected until more coverage takes place and the article isn't just 2 sentences worth of announcements. There isn't anything in the article, at present, that shows significant coverage, and contrary to some of the IPs around here, multiple mentioning of Lady Gaga is not significant coverage.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion[edit]

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This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --82.25.56.104 (talk) 17:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FX has now confirmed that season 5 will be titled Hotel, and will have Lady Gaga in a starring role.

Cast listings[edit]

Can a competent editor please add back the character descriptions that keep being vandalized since I'm edit warring now. Thank you, LLArrow (talk) 03:42, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting vandalism is not considered edit warring per WP:3RRNO. Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:19, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Tell that to Gloss, who is reporting me. Thanks anyway, LLArrow (talk) 07:13, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's been removed yet again, could someone please restore it. I'm awaiting outcome on whether or not the page will be semi-protected. Fingers crossed, so we can stop all the vandalism. Thanks, LLArrow (talk) 18:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you are reffering to the false information regarding cast addittions such as Lily Rabe and Michell Peiffer - that was I who just removed it. It's entirely false. For one IBTimes is not a legitmate source and the IBTIMES article that is constantly sourced got it's information from IMDB another unreliable source. This is compounded when you follow the trail and realize that the list was created by a fan as their own personal wish list. Zinthaniel (talk)

I'm inclined to believe that the info is, in fact, false. For now anyway. If anyone can find another reliable source backing IBT's claim, please add. Thank you, LLArrow (talk) 20:39, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Evan Peters was on episode 1. He should be the guy Wes Bentley's character was pointing a gun at at the nocturnal crime scene. Compare it to promotional pictures. 2A02:1810:1C33:4400:83F:832:39D8:B620 (talk) 12:26, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevant Information[edit]

@IndianBio:, please stop adding information that is unrelated to the article. Especially considering the information hasn't been confirmed for the reason of the move. Brocicle (talk) 01:21, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the editor is absolutely in the right by adding this insightful info. The Los Angeles Times is a more than verifiable source. LLArrow (talk) 19:44, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The article says that it is expected to be among the applicants, not that it is for certain, and that it could be the reason for the move, again not that it is for certain. That information is irrelevant as it hasn't been confirmed. I'm not questioning the source as the source is absolutely verifiable, just that the content has been misread by user @IndianBio:. Brocicle (talk) 13:28, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Colour contrast problems[edit]

It seems that this article is using colours in the infobox which don't satisfy Wikipedia's accessibility guidelines. The contrast between the foreground colour and the background colour is low, which means that it may be difficult or impossible for people with visual impairments to read it.

To correct this problem, a group of editors have decided to remove support for invalid colours from Template:Infobox television season and other television season templates after 1 September 2015. If you would still like to use custom colours for the infobox and episode list in this article after that date, please ensure that the colours meet the WCAG AAA standard.

To test whether a colour combination is AAA-compliant you can use Snook's colour contrast tool. If your background colour is dark, then please test it against a foreground colour of "FFFFFF" (white). If it is light, please test it against a foreground colour of "000000" (black). The tool needs to say "YES" in the box for "WCAG 2 AAA Compliant" when you input the foreground and the background colour. You can generally make your colour compliant by adjusting the "Value (%)" fader in the middle box.

Please be sure to change the invalid colour in every place that it appears, including the infobox, the episode list, and the series overview table. If you have any questions about this, please ask on Template talk:Infobox television season. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:30, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

LLArrow's continuous addition of WP:ACCESS problems[edit]

The user is adding a huge quote box to the article, which is overlapping sections, does not follow the Color access issues listed in the above sections, and is causing problems for narrow width screens. Seeing the wP:EW blocks on the user's page, it does not seem the user pays any attention to wP:ACESS or even understands it. MOS:BLOCKQUOTE strictly prohibits the usage of any colored quotes for accessibility fail and frankly, its irritating to work with someone like this. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 06:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is something you should possibly post on the user's personal talk page as it address them personally and not the article itself. Perhaps better wording is needed if you deem the quote box issue relevant rather than attacking someone on a different talk page rather than their own. Brocicle (talk) 00:46, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Problem understood now. Won't be attempting again. Jeez. LLArrow (talk) 18:11, 7 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly did you understand? You went ahead and added another quote box in the filming section. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 05:10, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for development later[edit]

—Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 05:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the hotel[edit]

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Gaga has just updated her Instagram with the name of the hotel, which is HOTEL CORTEZ. Until a source from EW or another site is available, we could use web archive directed to her insta. GagaNutellatalk 04:08, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No confirmation that it is definitely the name of the hotel. I would wait until another source like EW can verify that information. Brocicle (talk) 22:42, 10 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lady Gaga AHS Pool party[edit]

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Hmmm, I don't see where we can include this content. :( —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 06:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I had actually included this before LLArrow reverted it. However, seeing the amount of third party sources its gathering I believe it has a place somewhere. EW says that it was after the first week of shooting that the party was created, hence I believe we can merge it there not giving much weight though. If anyone has any other ideas please add here. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 07:08, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've found a suitable place for the info, and added it. LLArrow (talk) 07:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fancrufty writing against a professional one[edit]

There are editors like LLArrow and Israeldmo who have continuously reverted others, including me and Drovethrughosts trying to make the writing of the article spruce up to the professional level accepted in Wikipedia. They believe that fancrufty proses like "XXX alum YYY was cast" or "ZZZ famous actor AAA..." is worthy of inclusion, because, quoting one edit summary, "Unless you show me a Wikipedia' rule that prohibit it, let it be the way it is. And I was also thanked for that edit". Well Wikipedia rule does prohibit WP:UNDUE, using WP:PEACOCK language like that and WP:TVCAST and WP:TVPRODUCTION no where lists that you need to define an actor's previous role to list him in a current/future TV show article. As Drovethrughosts correctly pointed out, "you don't define or refer actors by a single role (they have wikipedia articles if you want to know about them); referring them to actor/actress is redundant". I will open a RFC if I see further reverts to this issue, especially by Israeldmo who has nothing but been disruptive. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 04:06, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you have failed to notice, I'm no longer pursuing that opinion. Move on. LLArrow (talk) 04:35, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No I have not, but you had reverted also without having any concrete opinion regarding them staying, just for the sake of it, so you are linked here as well. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 04:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I hereby unlink myself. Good day. LLArrow (talk) 04:45, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly what I want to see IndianBio, someone pointing out what we are allowed to do. This is what you and Drovethrughosts should do before randomly remove stuff that were always there and nobody seemed to have problem with. I'm offended by this part: "Israeldmo who has nothing but been disruptive". I'm just not able to edit more than I usually do is because English is not my native language and I could let the pages full of typos and grammatical errors. But I've been helping improve all American Horror Story pages, particularly the "Awards and Nominations" section, which I try to keep it as update as possible. Nonetheless, thank you for clear things up for me, it was definitely helpful. Israeldmo (talk) 04:52, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You can simply ask right in the talk page or personally also? Not everything can be written and squashed inside a small edit summary box and Drovethru already explained the editorializing. Please keep in mind that WP holds a very, very professional level of writing, and anything which gossip and news magazines write are strictly not to be followed. However, there are definite exceptions to this. For eg: in this article we talk about Sevigny, who had been last associated in Asylum of the series, and had not appeared since then until Hotel. In that case we can mention it since it directly links to this article only. But we should not say, "Chloe Sevigny, famous for XX YY show, was signed for...". I hope that double clears your stance in this. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 04:58, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

AHS: Hotel/Top Hat.[edit]

It's about this part: "The season's subtitle was confirmed as Hotel, and was partly inspired by the 1935 screwball musical comedy film Top Hat." I recently paid attention to it, and, honestly, I found this statement very odd and questionable. I checked the source and the author indeed said that, It's known that they alluded the movie in Freak Show because it's set in a hotel and it features a song called Cheek to Cheek (the same name of Gaga' latest album), however I've never read Ryan or any other producer saying that it directly inspired this season. What you guys think? Israeldmo (talk) 11:47, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Israeldmo, maybe this source will be clear? Whatever we have to rephrase it. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 13:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think this will, and yes, we have to rephrase it. At the same time, I don't think we need to mention the clues they included in the previous season. Israeldmo (talk) 14:03, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mädchen Amick[edit]

I will never understand why this isn't considered a first hand source, a direct quote from the actress. Instead we wait for a credible news outlet to report the information that has already been released. I'm just posting this for future reference, I know it changes nothing.

--LurganShmith (talk) 23:40, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

She is not verified on instagram for confirmation it's her 100%, which is why it isn't considered a first hand source because there's no confirmation. Brocicle (talk) 02:10, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Filming[edit]

—Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 07:37, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Plot summary[edit]

LLArrow has been reverting any changes being made to the article. It is simply getting impossible to collaborate. This ownership of articles has to stop, else I personally myself will request complete page protection and will report this to wP:ANI. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 05:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested full protection to the page now. This has to stop right now. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 05:23, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it does. Hopefully that protection is indefinite. Fingers crossed. LLArrow (talk) 05:25, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It will be, and I hope you are banned forver you ass. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 05:26, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, thanks for remaining the tactful and dignified editor you have proven yourself to be time and time again. LLArrow (talk) 05:31, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, no point in showing any decency to you when you don't know basics of collaborating and go on showing WP:OWN behavior. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 06:36, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

Developing the lead [1]. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 07:07, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cast section[edit]

Right now the Cast section includes only actors and roles. Should the section also include brief character bios? ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:16, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not needed. When the season ends, we add how many episodes they have been. GagaNutellatalk 21:22, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@GagaNutella: That's not what was asked. @Another Believer: It's consistent with previous seasons that have links to the character list. I just linked the section to Hotel's to expand in the future. Personally, I don't like the additional navigation, but it keeps things tidy, especially with the beloved actor photos. Some character descriptions are in the Casting section as well, so it is possible there could be information overload. — Wyliepedia 23:06, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK, no problem. I was thinking even super short descriptions might be helpful, along the lines of: "John Smith as 'Sam', the Wikipedia editor who loves science". ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:26, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@CAWylie: I don't understand why people on Wikipedia are so acid! We can't say nothing and many stones come in your direction. I answered no for what he was asking and then I suggested we could add the number of episodes like the other articles. GagaNutellatalk 23:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
GN, your response was fine, as was your vote against character descriptions. :) ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:48, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@GagaNutella: I wasn't casting a stone(s), nor acidic, but I admit to misinterpreting your response. As for adding the episode counts, you'll find they will get updated weekly. I have also added descriptions to the character list page. — Wyliepedia 00:09, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I got it CAWylie, I'm just tired of these "little wars". Anyway, good to know that the episodes are updated weekly. I saw your edits on the characters page, really great! And Another Believer, thank u for being so kind as usual. I like u!! GagaNutellatalk 00:18, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@GagaNutella: I usually stay out of the e-wars, unless an editor is being attacked or reverted without just cause. @Another Believer: I do not like science, Sam-I-am. — Wyliepedia 00:31, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect information in first paragraph[edit]

It is mentioned in the first paragraph of the page that "The series was renewed in October 2014, with the subtitle Hotel being confirmed soon after". This is incorrect, the subtitle wasn't confirmed until February 25th, 2015. "Soon after" implies a few day difference, not 4 months. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.196.205 (talk) 20:11, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed. — Wyliepedia 05:47, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Episode summaries[edit]

I tagged the Episode section with a Plot warning. MOS:TV states: "...a brief summary of the plot (100–200 words; upwards of 350 words for complex storylines) is applicable... ". This goes for episodes with/without separate articles. Ideally, the ep articles expand from the summaries in lists but this happened in reverse here. This season will not follow one character throughout, but will be an ensemble work. There cannot be complex 500-word summaries here. Think of what this would look like if it was a 20-episode network season! — Wyliepedia 05:24, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Usually the first episode is longer than the others, because we have to say the name of the characters along with actors. GagaNutellatalk 11:19, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good for a 90-minute show. Thank you. I tweaked some. Was also gonna try to work in John's investigation but that is trumpeted all over the page. — Wyliepedia 13:25, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Color Pallet?[edit]

I'm not sure why the color was changed from the light brown color before, but a brown/gold color would fit much better. This color looks exactly like Asylum.... Even if it was just a few shades of lighter brown then it is now, it would look alot better. 76.189.208.196 (talk) 05:46, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input. The current colour is derived from the dominant shade of the poster art, bronze. No need to fret over the matter anyhow, it's highly likely the image, along with the colour scheme, will be changing when the DVD/Blu Ray art is released soon. LLArrow (talk) 05:50, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is the exact reason we should've been using title screens for each season. — Wyliepedia 07:54, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but that ship has sailed, and I really don't wish to board it's tedious deck again. LLArrow (talk) 16:49, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, it's good for now. Let's wait the the DVD/Blu Ray art cover. GagaNutellatalk 17:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Countess / Elizabeth[edit]

An editor(s) keep adding a hyphen to The Countess' name (i.e. Elizabeth - The Countess), when the proper grammar is obviously, "Elizabeth / The Countess". The slash is proper. I'm sure this won't do a bit of good, but I'm putting forward the effort. Thank you to all who have fought the good grammar fight. LLArrow (talk) 17:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is most definitely a slash. She is referred in third party media as such and we go by it. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 17:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How is this case any different than The Black Dahlia and The Infantata in season one, then? -- User:Kworbi
We do not concern ourselves with other articles, only this one. Learn how to sign your comments please. LLArrow (talk) 21:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The other article which I'm referring to is a part of the series, so shouldn't we try our best to have a standard way of presenting the information? ---- User:Kworbi
That's ridiculous and your opinion, again. LLArrow (talk) 21:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, now you don't have to worry about a thing the names mentioned above have now been grammatically corrected as well. LLArrow (talk) 21:48, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
How is that my opinion though? And it's not ridiculous to have an organized set up that is present in each season of the series. ---- User:Kworbi
It's an opinion because there is no rule or regulation stating it as fact. You made it up in your head and you want everyone else to go along with it. Opinion. LLArrow (talk) 23:00, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum to the Cast section[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Television#Addendum_to_the_Cast_section Since this will effect this, and every, season of this series, I thought it prudent to bring it to other editors attention. LLArrow (talk) 17:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Episode Count?[edit]

Is there a reason the episode count for each character/cast member has been removed? 2602:304:B1AF:EDE0:1DF5:6CFD:2E5C:50DC (talk) 15:23, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Look above you. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 15:24, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Recurring and Guest[edit]

Until the season has aired, we as editors do not have the privilege of defining whose role is recurring, and whose is a guest role, unless a reliable third party source has stated it. Anything else is WP:OR Scr★pIronIV 19:00, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is such bull. Literally every single TV series I contribute to on Wikipedia features a "Recurring" category for actors who have appeared in more than one episode, the definition of the word, whilst currently airing the season in question. Not to mention before the season began airing, nearly every name on the Recurring list was accompanied by a verifiable, third party source, but they have been removed since the premiere, which has always been the case ever since I began contributing. This is a ridiculous policy that needs to be overruled here. Honestly how can it be considered original research when the person has literally appeared in multiple episodes. Fellow editors let me hear what you have to say, and let's get this lunacy repealed by gaining consensus. LLArrow (talk) 19:11, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you also believe that Wikipedia policy against WP:CANVASS is also "bull" - but I recommend that you read it, and then determine whether your behavior is in violation of that policy.[2],[3],[4],[5],[6],[7],[8],[9],[10] Or is this just another policy to be ignored, as you would choose to do with WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:CRYSTAL and WP:AGF? Scr★pIronIV 20:01, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:TVCAST vaguely talks about "in-universe" versus "real-world" information. In universe in fiction means the information is tangible (i.e. has aired on television), real world means it has yet to appear in universe but is expected because the information has been discussed by the media. What this means to me regarding any TV show is that, if you've actually seen them on the show, they get listed in the Cast section. If they have yet to be shown, they go into the Casting section with their proper sources.
Now for this "edit war" nonsense. If the actors have appeared more than once and are not in the opening produced credits, guess what, they're Recurring. If they are listed under "(Special) Guest Star", they should be listed as such in cast lists. In case you didn't catch the point of both paragraphs, if they have yet to appear but are expected to by the media, they go into the Casting section. Granted, that means the fans won't see their idol's name up top, but I blame Twitter and Facebook for ruining a reader's patience.
Lastly, it doesn't matter on TV branch pages, like seasonals, how many episodes have aired for anyone to be listed in the Cast section, as long as they have appeared. Edit warring over compartmentalizing in the proper sections is just silly and ruins a visiting reader's/editor's experience.
(ADDENDUM: Overlinking to rules that don't really apply causes me to ignore them all.) — Wyliepedia 20:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@ScrapIronIV: Your attempts to rattle my cage are laughable. I in no way violated WP:CANVASS by reaching out to common editors of this article for their opinion, regardless if they disagree. Buzz off, and stop being so antagonistic. LLArrow (talk) 21:11, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I know on articles such as Pretty Little Liars the general accepted 'rule' is if a character appears five or more times they are considered recurring and any less is considered a guest star. However, they have twice as many episodes per season. I definitely agree that if they have appeared more than once that they are recurring unless credited otherwise. Brocicle (talk) 14:55, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am baffled at this being an issue. As long as I've been contributing to Wikipedia and editing around TV articles, every single one has their respected special guest and recurring sections. Actors appear listed as "Special Guest Stars" are listed as such, and any character that has appeared more than twice is recurring. I don't know what more can be said other than how ludicrous this edit warring and arguing is over something so simple. endalecomplex (contributions) • (talk) 00:51, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Episode count[edit]

Not sure when the names will all be revealed, though there will be thirteen episodes total for the season. Click here for more. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:14, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what your attempting to say here. Is this purely an FYI or is something being asked? LLArrow (talk) 04:18, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just an FYI for now. Probably worth mentioning once all names are announced. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:54, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews[edit]

Will the reviews section be updated as time passes or are only the reviews of the first episode going to remain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.183.117.100 (talk) 13:05, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Halloween two-parter episode and Liz Taylor's name.[edit]

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Since both LLArrow and Jjj1238 reverted my edits, I'm justifying them here. It was becoming an edit-war, and I don't want that. The episodes Devil's Night and Room Service were this season's two parter Halloween episode, as you can see here. It was confirmed way long ago. We had a Halloween two-parter episode that didn't share the same name nor followed a specific storyline, and it was Coven's fourth and fifth episodes, Fearful Pranks Ensue and Burn, Witch. Burn!, respectively. You personally may not think it's appropriate to call it "two-parter", but it's how it's been called by the producers, therefore it's not arguable. As for Liz Taylor's name, she is NOT called Nick Pryor anymore. It doesn't belong here. She is not a crossdresser, she is a transgender, so she doesn't have two identities, Liz Taylor is not a nickname or an artistic name, nor is Nick Pryor her real name. It's just how she was formely called. If it's a important information, her backstory and former name is included in her character description. It's equally not arguable. Hope this clear it up for you. Israeldmo (talk) 00:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is absolute lunacy that I'm having to explain this AGAIN, but I'll do it one more time and pray it sinks in. It DOES NOT MATTER if Liz Taylor is transgender or a crossdresser or anything else, what matters is that the actor Denis O'Hare portrays(ed) characters Nick Pryor and Liz Taylor. Therefore he gets billed as both characters, no matter the state of the characters within the series. "Devil's Night", the episode, was originally set to be two parts (i.e. "Halloween, Part 1", "Halloween, Part 2"), that is what the given source states. It, again, DOES NOT MATTER that Halloween occurs in both "Devil's Night" and "Room Service", what matters is there is not "Part" in the titles, therefore they are individual episodes. That's it. I'm done with this mess. Keep reverting editors and I'm reporting you to the administrators. Oh and BTW, the only one that was in danger of being in violation of 3RR was you. LLArrow (talk) 01:11, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You never explained this, and it continues to be ridiculous. Liz Taylor and Nick Pryor are the SAME character, why would he get billed as two characters? It's nonsense, and he should be billed for his character's actual name. And Ryan Murphy confirmed in the source the two-parter Halloween episode would be EXACTLY what it was. Do you have a source to confirm the episodes were originally to be called "Devil's Night, Part 1" and "Devil's Night, Part 2", exactly like this? No, you're assuming. It's funny how you're saying I'm the one to violate the WP:3RR, because you did this. I started this section on the talk page to justify my edits and engage a healthy discussion so we can get a consensus, but you're just replied me without any source to back you up and a lot of assumptions, and revert my edits as if you're absolutely right. I'll be the one to report you if you insist to have this behavior. You monopolize (WP:OWN) the pages and revert edits without NO reason. AND DON'T REVERT IT WITHOUT WE HAVE A CONSENSUS. Israeldmo (talk) 08:41, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Both of you, until I see a consensus here, please no more reverts, I don't care about tran Liz or Nick. I want stability. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 09:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Both of YOU, that is not the way things work concerning consensus. Israeldmo is the one attempting to implement change, therefore THEY must gain consensus. The status quo never gains consensus due to its very nature. LLArrow (talk) 18:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes both of you need to gain consensus, and I see that Israel has attempted to initiate to gain consensus on this discussion. Now you can respond with sources and points, and let others also respond. I want to see sources, please place them here Israelm. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 21:50, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can't we just say something like "Denis O'Hare as Liz Taylor, a transgender woman formerly known as Nick Pryor" or something along those lines? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:46, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sure we can, on the character article for AHS. Not in this article where there are no character descriptions. That is why the character article was created. LLArrow (talk) 18:50, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In agreement with Israeldmo. The character's name is Liz Taylor. O'Hare did not play a character named Nick Pryor. His character was explaining her backstory which included formerly being known as a man with that name. It's part of the Liz Taylor character's storyline, not an alternative name of the character O'Hare is playing. Also, the episode is a two parter as backed up by those sources. I don't see the debate there? Gloss 21:33, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion: O'Hare's name is just Liz Taylor and the episode is the second part, as stated in the source. Simple! GagaNutellatalk 21:53, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The consensus is mounting in favor of Israeldmo suggested changes. I do not feel as if I can remain objective on this particular matter. I hereby withdraw my opinion from the debate. LLArrow (talk) 22:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It took a while for me to reply you guys, thus, my apologies. Look, I don't want to start a feud with LLArrow, he's been actively helping Wikipedia and he was the first to welcome me, but this is really ridiculous. This is the first time I've seen a debate about whether we should add a real or fictional transgender person's former name. I gave this example before: we don't put "Caitlyn Jenner slash Bruce Jenner", we only put Caitlyn Jenner because it's her actual name. I've even checked another show's page that includes transgender characters, and it's the same. As Another Believer have asked and LLArrow rightfully replied, Liz Taylor's backstory is described on her character profile, which it's linked here. As for the Halloween two-parter episode, every source has been calling it a two-parter Halloween special (here, for example), as they've done it in every season. It was never reported it would be "Devil's Night, Part 1" and "Part 2", nor there is a legitimate confirmation it ultimately wasn't a two-parter special. In fact, the episodes's press releases confirmed beforehand they would be called "Devil's Night" and "Room Service", Ryan Murphy detailed them in the EW article I included here earlier and, more importantly, these details came to frution, and it was repeatedly reported Darren Criss was set to appear in the second Halloween episode. Well, I don't see what else should I say, so it's up to you GagaNutella, IndianBio, Another Believer, and Gloss. Whatever it's the consensus, I'm in. Israeldmo (talk) 13:59, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said, just keep Liz Taylor and "Room Service" is the second part. GagaNutellatalk 14:07, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your detailed and polite reply Israel, appreciate your concern but as you can see consensus is pushing towards the change that you have in mind and other editors agree. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 14:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I really appreciate that! I didn't want to sound aggressive or too defensive as I sounded earlier. I was indeed edit-warring and I regret this. Hopefully, I learnt with my mistakes so I'm able to become a better and more social editor. As it seems we have a consensus, I think this issue is resolved. Israeldmo (talk) 15:11, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good topic template[edit]

edit | discuss
American Horror Story: Hotel
13 articles

I've created a draft template for a potential Good topic about AHS: Hotel. WikiProject Horror, WikiProject Lady Gaga, and WikiProject Television project members may be particular interested since all articles apply to each project. Feel free to update as the season continues. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:39, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing this and I so so support this lol even if we disagree for that Gaga song. We have work to do Houston! :P —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 10:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That's truly amazing. I have plans to work harder on the episodes. And I'm happy to see you guys working together :) GagaNutellatalk 10:11, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I created the book for this one, check it out. Book: American Horror Story: Hotel. GagaNutella, can you crop that image present there to just have Gaga there with the blood? Pretty much aligns with The Countess character. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 10:17, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I liked the book. IB, I wish I could, but I'm the worst person on commons. I have no idea how to do it lmao GagaNutellatalk 10:51, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am glad you two like the draft GT. I was afraid others would find it defeating since it's currently a bunch of stubs and starts. Should we copy this to the WikiProject Lady Gaga main page, with the other GT templates, or just wait until we have a complete version here? ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:23, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think we can keep it here for now and add on until the season ends, after that we would really need to start working on this. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 15:35, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good. That way we aren't updating two pages with the same info. I don't think I've ever promoted an episode article to Good status, but I will certainly try to help. Would be great to see some collaboration between Gaga project members, WPTV participants, and AHS fans. -15:40, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
For each and every one of those episode articles we would need to have Production info, at present its a bit short for the intermediate ones. I can see many of it in "Checking In", "Devil's Night" and "Room 33". —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 21:06, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen some episode articles featuring a screenshot of the episode, do you guys think we can also include one for Hotel's articles? Also, it's a bit off-topic, but I think this season will have only 12 episodes. If you read the latest AHS-related videos's description on FX's official YouTube channel (this, for example), they're written "The 12-episode fifth installment of the Emmy and Golden Globe winning franchise, American Horror Story: Hotel, premieres on FX on October 7th." I'm not sure if it's entirely reliable, though. Israeldmo (talk) 00:44, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I went with 13 based on this source, but we can very easily update the GT template once we know the precise number of episodes. Regarding screen caps, yes, most episode articles have one: see File:DaysGoneBye.jpg, for example, to see the non-free media information and use rationale. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:55, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, you're right. All media are reporting 13 episodes for this season, so it's better to wait an official confirmation. I hope we'll be able to include screenshots, or, at least, stills. I think this would enrich the articles. Also, just to inform you, I added the Rotten Tomatoes ratings, we just have to expand the section. Israeldmo (talk) 06:08, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just a note, the screenshot usage should pass WP:NFCC. Not all of the episodes would need it though. Let's target the opening episode shall we? —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 15:52, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Where do people find screen caps eligible for use? ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Book reports haven't been running from a long time. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 12:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth's last name[edit]

I was wondering if her last name should be changed to 'March' as she married Evan Peters' character. Or if it should stay as Johnson and may be put as Elizabeth March (née Johnson) on her character page? Brocicle (talk) 01:22, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But didn't she marry James March? So, "March" wouldn't be her maiden name. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:12, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Johnson is her maiden name, and it currently says Elizabeth Johnson / The Countess next to Lady Gaga's billing. So I was wondering if it should be changed to March considering we have confirmation she did marry James or just leave it be. Brocicle (talk) 03:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I think I misread your initial comment. I thought you were saying we should change her name to Elizabeth Johnson (née March). My bad. I think we should keep Elizabeth Johnson if this is how most sources refer to her, though it might be worth noting somewhere that she was named Elizabeth March, at least temporarily. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:13, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I think for now we'll leave it alone until the season ends, as she may end up marrying Will Drake or something else may happen. After the season does end and we have all the facts we should add it to her character section on the AHS page. Brocicle (talk) 15:34, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hollywood in fiction?[edit]

I added a couple episode articles to Category:Hollywood in fiction because their Plot sections mentioned Hollywood. But, aren't all of the episodes set in Hollywood? Should we just add the category "Category:Hollywood in fiction" to Category:American Horror Story: Hotel episodes and remove it from individual episodes? ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2016[edit]

Delete "and homosexual" from "Ramona was a Hollywood actress who had a romantic and homosexual past with Elizabeth," because it's redundant and, in light of discrimination against non-heterosexuals, could be interpreted as implying that homosexual relationships don't have a romantic aspect. Jsbohannon (talk) 05:25, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Agreed and done. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 10:30, 15 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Next?[edit]

I wonder if editors feel this article is stable enough to request a copy edit from the Guild of Copy Editors. Or, perhaps it is even GA ready? ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:09, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is stable, but incomplete in terms of the critical reception and the commercial aspects. Let me glance through it. —IB [ Poke ] 22:57, 26 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:16, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

DVD Cover[edit]

The DVD cover for Hotel has been revealed, and I think this warrants a change for the poster on the main article to be changed to the poster the DVD uses. Here's a link. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01D3RP2ZY/ref=mp_s_a_1_7?qid=1460039024&sr=8-7&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=american+horror+story 70.194.205.130 (talk) 14:25, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This looks fake as hell. —IB [ Poke ] 15:53, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Despite its appearance, it is official, check description from FX. Plus, the page layout is identical to previous seasons. We need to add it here. LLArrow (talk) 18:32, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd do it but not sure how to exactly. Can anyone update it that knows how? 70.194.238.102 (talk) 18:46, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

LLArrow, I can add the cover, but that would involve a color change also I believe? Can you do that? —IB [ Poke ] 08:50, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@IndianBio: Absolutely, I'd be happy to. LLArrow (talk) 16:56, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't like this cover, it looks like the previous season. They could've been more creative. Anyway, it's official. GagaNutellatalk 18:08, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
is anyone going to update the cover and color palette? Would love to see what it looks like together. 70.62.32.164 (talk) 18:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well you could always do it. That's the beauty of Wikipedia, anybody can edit it. LLArrow (talk) 18:50, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Added the cover and changed the color palette to Dark Goldenrod, which I think fits a lot more. Let me know what you guys think. Piercehayden17 (talk) 02:44, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Changed the colour to the most prominently featured shade on the poster, not sure why a fringe colour was selected in the first place. Also had to change all of the colours of the individual episode dividers, as they were neglected. LLArrow (talk) 03:34, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Colour had to be changed again, due to contrast issues. LLArrow (talk) 06:41, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated the cover for deletion. Its a non-free cover which the user mistakenly uploaded to Commons. —IB [ Poke ] 08:39, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Replaced with a non-free used rationale image now. We are good to proceed. —IB [ Poke ] 08:46, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Indiewire[edit]

@LLArrow:, please give reasoning to why you think Indiewire is not a reliable source. And I dont see how asking you to provide reasoning after you undid an edit that I just gave solid reasoning for is "disruptive"--Joef1234 (talk) 00:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Don't play coy; it's disruptive due to you reverting two separate editors reversion of your changes. Indiewire is not seen as an acceptable source by Wikipedia's standards, not mine. My opinion doesn't matter, just like yours, and every other editor on here. LLArrow (talk) 05:45, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I reverted the first edit with actual reasoning stating why I put it there. If you just wrote what you just said in your post we wouldn't be having this conversation--Joef1234 (talk) 06:18, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Season colour theme[edit]

Guys, I'd like to darken the season colour theme to a semi darker shade to better match the DVD cover. I've been met with adversity trying to do so. You can view the change here. LLArrow (talk) 02:15, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wren suicide, episode 7[edit]

Hello, i think the ending of episode 7 is a bit misleading: "He wants to find out who the killer is, but the girl escapes, and is killed off in a road accident." Because it wasn't an accident, she throws herself in front of the truck consciously as John is drawing closer to finding out the truth about the killer, so i would call it suicide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.72.81 (talk) 10:35, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Persian translator[edit]

Hello.

Is there any one here understand Persian? I want request to help for translate American_Horror_Story:_Hotel#Awards_and_nominations to Persian and use it for Persian article fa:داستان ترسناک آمریکایی: هتل. my English is not good! I told to Persian users of Wikifa/Persian there are no body to understand English or want to help. --NameGame (talk) 01:54, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It done. Persian users help and translated, here. fa:داستان ترسناک آمریکایی: هتل#نامزدی‌ها و جوایز –– NameGame (talk) 17:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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