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Old talk[edit]

This article is looking good these days. Well done everyone for building upon my stub. Zestauferov 02:44, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Y-haplogroup affiliation?[edit]

The language of Y-hapolgroup J? twitter.com/YOMALSIDOROFF (talk) 00:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTAFORUM --Yalens (talk) 21:21, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alarodians[edit]

@Skeptical1800: I want to rephrase the first paragraph of "History" a bit which only is here to explain why the name "Alarodian" has stuck to this grouping, and not so much to give a description of the Alarodians in the textual record.

My idea is:

The term Alarodian is derived from Greek Ἀλαρόδιοι (Alarodioi), the name of an ethnic group mentioned by Herodotus which has often been equated with the people of the kingdom of Urartu, although this equation is considered doubtful by modern scholars.^[a]

^ E.g., Urartologist Paul Zimansky rejects a connection between the Urartians and the Alarodians.^[1] Nearly nothing is known about Alarodians except that they "were armed like the Colchians and Saspeires," according to Herodotus.^[2]

^ Zimansky, Paul "Urartian and Urartians." The Oxford Handbook of Ancient Anatolia (2011): 556. [1]
^ Herodotus. Book VII: chapters 57‑137. [2]

I want to stick to "often" at least as a historical characterization, since Alarodioi = "Urartians" has been uncritically copied from publication to publication for decades. Zimansky calls it a "fashion", so "sometimes" is too weak, in spite of the very shaky ground on which this equation is built. What do you think?

Btw, Alarodians currently redirects to Urartu, which is problematic even with the clarifications you have recently added. What about turning the redirect into a stub to set the record straight? –Austronesier (talk) 11:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Austronesier:: I think all of that sounds very reasonable. Sure, I think adding a stub would make sense if you want to do that! I'm more than happy to help you with that, if you'd like. Best! Skeptical1800 (talk) 17:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Skeptical1800: Great! I will ping you for input once I'll have started with a draft. Btw, the Saspeires have an article, but that doesn't really look like NPOV, right? –Austronesier (talk) 08:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Austronesier:: Sounds perfect. Yeah, I think some of those Turkish Pontic coastal peoples need a bit of cleaning up, not just Saspeires. A lot of them rely on very few, questionable, and/or outdated sources. We can work on Alarodians and Saspieres and then check some of the others out.Skeptical1800 (talk) 17:29, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[3] E.g., Urartologist Paul Zimansky rejects a connection between the Urartians and the Alarodians.^[1] Nearly nothing is known about Alarodians except that they "were armed like the Colchians and Saspeires," according to Herodotus.^[2]

[1] Zimansky, Paul "Urartian and Urartians." The Oxford Handbook of Ancient Anatolia (2011): 556. [1]

[2] Herodotus. Book VII: chapters 57‑137. [2]

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