Talk:Al-Araqeeb

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objective?[edit]

The article is not objective (anti-Israeli). Please add a comment about that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.228.56.130 (talk) 11:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why indeed[edit]

Why is this stub being considered for removal please?

Noise[edit]

Removed this: MK Taleb el-Sana holed himself "inside one of the buildings in a vain attempt to prevent its demolition." Sanna later passed out during the operation, and was taken to Soroka University Medical Center for treatment. [1] Pini Badash called on Yehuda Weinstein to bring charges against Sanna for "blatant disregard of Israeli law." Badash believes Sanna's behaved as though the laws of the Israel "don’t apply to him.” He added, "In a democratic state, there can’t be a situation where a public leader is above the law."[2] Reason: This episode tells us nothing about the topic of the article. In particular, the attack here by one politician against another is dead boring, entirely useless, and no different from the politician-noise we hear every day in every country. Zerotalk 08:15, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is describing the demolition and the events that transpired. I don't see any noise here. The figures above are noted, relevant, and all played part in this situation. Wikifan12345 (talk) 12:09, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
@Zero: disagree: what was happening there is not usually seen "in every country". - TwoHorned User_talk:TwoHorned 19:26, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if I wasn't clear. What is seen in every country (at least, all those where political diversity is permitted) is for one politician to accuse a politician of another party of behaving badly. That is all the Pini Badash noise consists of. His opinion of Taleb el-Sana is entirely predictable, carries no information content, and contributes nothing whatever to this page. Zerotalk 23:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The problem was that Wikifan12345 had changed the text with irrelevant information, and some of this information did not follow the source. That Taleb el-Sana tried to stop the demolition and was removed by police is important info and belongs here. So I have re added this. Wikifan12345 removed that he was removed by police and presented it as if he passed out when he was in the buildings, that's not what the source says, and it was inappropriate by Wikifan12345 to copy text from the article and put it in quotation. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:16, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Read the sources Supreme: During the demolitions, which were carried out by the Israel Lands Administration and secured by a large contingent of YASAM riot police, Arab MK Taleb a-Sanaa (United Arab List–Ta’al) holed-up inside one of the buildings in a vain attempt to prevent its demolition.

Standing up, standing out for Israel ILA razes dozens of homes in unrecognized Beduin village Sanaa passed out at the scene and was rushed to Soroka University Medical Center in Beersheba, where he soon recovered. Before passing out, Sanaa stated that government actions like Wednesday’s demolitions “will lead to a popular uprising intifada.” Editors have selectively chosen information from sources to give a biased POV. The article relies too much on anonymous bediun statements. This should be mentioned somewhere: In 2008, a state-appointed commission recommended that the government recognize most of the "unauthorized" villages and provide permits for the homes. Large-scale demolitions in Arakib stopped about four years ago, residents say. But seated under a canvas tent Tuesday, looking out over the piles of debris left by the bulldozers, village leaders said the cycle appears to be starting again. And by late afternoon, the desert dunes began to echo with a familiar rhythmic thud as hammers pounded nails into fresh wooden frames.

The article gives the impression that this is racially motivated, when it is a token event and the thousands of illegal structures that have been built along the Negav continue to be ignored. Also, I don't know why editors keep deleting the statements from MKs. The land administration has proposed moving the settlers to urban cities within the grid. Wikifan12345 (talk) 23:29, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Knesset Member Talab El-Sana (United Arab List-Ta'al) arrived at the scene and barricaded himself in one of the homes. He was forcefully removed by police officers. At some point El-Sana lost consciousness and was evacuated to Beersheba's Soroko Medical Center." [1] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I would leave out El-Sana as he is a minor actor in this drama but it isn't out of the question to mention him. Badash's comments on El-Sana on the other hand are completely out of the question. Zerotalk 23:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should also include the statement by El-sana that said this might inspire another intifada? But like I said - El-Sana isn't that important, the background behind the demolition and the motivations for it should be accurately represented. Wikifan12345 (talk) 00:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Illegal structures" you said ? "Legal" according to israel seems to be in many cases very close to "illegal" in the universal sense. Another thing: there is an investigation under way (done by ONGs of course) about the help brought by israeli college students to the Police during the operation. They came by buses, these nice teens fellows, helping in vandalizing the houses. This should be mentionned in the article. - TwoHorned User_talk:TwoHorned 06:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've found the CNN ref about it and added in the article. I modified the intro, also, to make it more neutral and with more solid refs. - TwoHorned User_talk:TwoHorned 09:48, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Ilana Curiel (08.04.10). "Bedouin village razed again; MK forcefully removed". Ynetnews. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  2. ^ http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?ID=183689 State demolishes Beduin homes again

map of beer sheba[edit]

where is this map from? i tried to find the source, but it wasn't clear. i could only find a reference to some books, but not clear which one, if these at all:

http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-British-Mandate-1920-1948-Routledge/dp/0714656518

http://www.amazon.com/Survey-Palestine-Vol-Information-Anglo-American/dp/088728213X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1338447879&sr=1-1

any ideas?

I have the original maps in electronic form and my library has them on paper. I've seen them on the web too but I forget where and they are hard to find. The 1935 edition of the map has "El 'Araqib" at the same place as this one, look here. I didn't look at any maps before 1935. Zerotalk 11:05, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

romayan edits[edit]

i left you a message on your talk page regarding some of the edits you have made. some have been excellent but are not using RS. let me know if you need more info. Soosim (talk) 13:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Photos removal attempt[edit]

The claim that photos taken by the satellite in 1999 and 2007 presented by the state in court are a WP:SYNTH is simply ridiculous. It is a part of court evidence, not a Photoshop makeup. Romayan (talk) 14:38, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update the count[edit]

Someone should update the count. It is now up to 114, according to Palestinian sources: http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=777646 ImTheIP (talk) 16:01, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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