Talk:Acid jazz/Archives/2017

Groove Collective

Were they/are they really that prominent in the Acid Jazz scene? I can remember one 12" that was relatively succesful, but it wasn't particularly distinctive. I was following Acid Jazz from '91 to '97, from which period it tended to fade off towards Mo'wax etc. At the moment I doubt that this prominent a highlight of GrooveCollective is justified, unless placed in its proper context.

Secondly, Acid Jazz as far as I'm aware in the UK, was never referred to as 'Groove Jazz'. Was the phrase commonly adopted in the US/elsewhere?

No it was not, and Groove Collective featured on one of the few American complilations to sell at the end of the 1980's making it ripe for some total wanker to cite without knowing anything. Also Acid Jazz does NOT "Tend to use Samples". It "tends" to be played live by real musicians. there is a lot of use of motifs from older compositions, but then that's kind of like real jazz, people riffing on the classics, dig? I guess it's too much to ask that anyone posting here know their arse from a hole in the ground!

IMO Groove Collective is notable because they are the only major acid jazz act from US (most major acts are from UK). Prpobably you are not familiar with them because you stoped following the genre in 1997, unlike other people who still dig this kind of music. Also, dening that acid jazz "tends to use samples" is silly. "Cantaloop" by US3 is the cornerstone acid jazz record and it DOES feature sample from Marcus Miller's "Cantaloop Island". Netrat_msk (talk) 09:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

@Netrat_msk Pertaining to your accolades and homage to the Acid Jazz band, Groove Collective, I concur almost precisely with your given sentiments regarding this terrific and avant-garde ensemble, comprised of, at any given time, six (6) Juilliard trained and skilled musicians.

For those unaware of their music, Groove Collective made their debut in 1992, and released their self-entitled album LP in 1993. The Groove Collective LP is perhaps one of the Grooviest, Superbly Produced and Perfectly Arranged albums I have ever had the pleasure of listening to, not to mention a key piece in my Music Catalog. The album, as well as the Band, is without doubt, one of the pioneers of the Acid Jazz music, along with US3, and the long-running Brazilian Band, going on I believe 40 years, by the name of Azymuth.

I did fancy several of their other albums, such as Declassified and Live in Brooklyn. As I mentioned earlier, the self-entitled LP, Groove Collective, is perhaps their best album ever released, although their music is much better heard Live, as opposed to recordings. However, they have released several Live albums, so one can really get a sense for what to expect if you were to hear them live. Of course they use Mixing and Overdubs while playing Live, however watching the drummer, masterful Genji Siraisi, play a 10 minute solo using Reverb, is perhaps one of the most incredible music one will ever see. The only comparison I would make, within the same genre of music played Live is STS9, which stands for Sound Tribe Sector 9.

I once heard them play in Solana Beach, California, at one of the greatest music venues San Diego has to offer, at The Belly Up Tavern. To offer some perspective to not only the popularity of Groove Collective at the time, but also as a tribute to the talent Groove Collective is famous for, I purchased tickets for this Wednesday night venue, six months in advance, thinking the event would be sold out, I couldn't have been more wrong. As the band hails from NYC, apparently they were well ahead of their time, since only about 15 people showed up to this event, which normally sees a standing room only crowd for even nominal acts.

I was not only shocked at the turnout, but I also felt for the psyche of the band members, which as I recall, was a 10-piece ensemble. However, I can say that with all of the roughly 1000 plus music venues I have attended in my life, this show was by far one of the Greatest and Most Intimate of Concerts I have ever attended. Not only did the lack of attendance leave the band unaffected, they played one of the best sets I have ever heard, lasting over 4 hours, until nearly 2 a.m. I tell this story to give perspective on the band, their talent, as well as fortitude to please their loyal fan base.

There is no doubt I would consider this music to be categorized in the Acid Jazz sub-genre, however I don't think one could compare this Fusion inspired music to bands such as Jazzanova, Jazztronik or US3. As great as those bands are, especially with their contributions to Acid Jazz, I believe the distinction lies in the ability to improvise while on stage. The aforementioned bands are strictly remixers of music, and the result is still incredible and avant-garde in their own right.

As far as I know, their last production was in 2006 on Kufala Records. If you want a good assessment of their talent, check out a tune named Fragile Planet. It has a brilliant vibe about it, and demonstrates the heart and soul of the Groove Collective's abilities and detail that sets them apart from other bands that fall into the Acid Jazz sub-genre of music.

Mark Halsey 02:57, 8 July 2017 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markhalsey (talk • contribs)  

So Giles peterson invented soul? lmao, what a load of bollocks.

You say please be civil to editors. Why should anyone be civil to him, He’s a liar who's overseeing a page full of lies. Do you lot think people are dumb?

I was in the acid Jazz movement from 1995 onwards. Before that I was a metalhead. I was into Jamiroquai and the Brand New heavies but we all knew it was black soul music from the nineteen seventies. Everyone knew this music is old school Jazzfunk from Roy Ayers and Lonnie Liston Smith and their contemporaries Ive done literally thousands of Jazzfunk mixes over the years. I know probably as much about funk as my elders who remember the nineteen seventies and I've never heard of anything called club jazz. These aren’t acid jazz bands at all this music is rare groove. They’re soul, jazz funk, Brazilian soul, jazz hip-hop bands. How did rare groove reach America from London when it came from America in the first place lol? That makes sense to you. American Soul music was invented by Giles Peterson and spread back to America? ffs seriously?

Whats Giles peterson got to do with Black music other than the fact that he made tons of money out of it? no ones even heard of him. Everyone on the page says theres no such thing as acid jazz (As some people have stated to the point of exhaustion)what have you done about it. Aren’t you supposed to be an editor? What is your job on wikipedia to cover up lies or to edit and correct them?

I looked at your profile page and I see that you're a Swedish Lady. Well thats great,and it's nice to see that you appear to have suddenly taken an interest in Black music, American soul and rare groove. Well I'm from Essex and i just want to let you know that acid jazz isn't a genre of music created in the UK and that Soul music comes from America not from London england in the mid 80's or from Giles Peterson. I also find it bit strange that you suddenly appeared out of nowhere to shut down the conversation and to defend people who are obviously connected to acid jazz records pushing these complete falsehoods.

You say on your page My courage always rises with every attempt to intimidate me. Is that supposed to be some sort of a threat? Sorry to be rude but I think you are in on it. I think you are all in on it. I think it's you who thinks that you can intimidate people. Catch my drift?

I can see that stuff has been deleted. Where are the logs for example. Who deleted them? and Why are you asking people whats been deleted, Aren’t you supposed to be some sort of supervisor. You should be able to find out whats been deleted very easily. Wikipedia has backups everywhere and sooner or later you're all going to get shown up. If you were a real editor this page would not be here or it would have been corrected. You're not fooling anyone. The clock is ticking. People will soon be onto you i'm sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManU4life (talk • contribs) 22:24, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

@ Bondea ive just gone to your page to leave you a message and to ask why you have done nothing about the lies on this page and I get this message:

Due to some very unpleasant trolling and frequent personal attacks on my talk page, it is sometimes protected so that only editors who have made a certain number of edits to Wikipedia can post here. This means that the actions of one person makes it impossible for all good-faith new and unregistered editors who might want to contact me here to do so. I apologise for this inconvenience. If I have posted a message on your talk page, I am probably watching it and will see any reply you post there. If you want to make it more likely that I see your post, you can use the template @Bonadea: which will make your post show up in my notices.

I wonder. now why would you get unpleasant trolling and frequent personal attacks on your talk page?

Is it because people have discovered what I and perhaps others who have read this have sussed out about you? I could tell that you were a put up job the minute i read what you had written here.If you are getting frequent abuse then I bet there is a reason for it. Like your actions or should i say non actions on this page for example. This Acid jazz wikipedia page is spreading false information. You know full well that it is yet you are protecting the authors.

@ManU4life and Bonadea: I am only making this comment to notify bonadea. I am not here to have a discussion with someone falsely accusing me of having a personal connection to the article's subject. ManU4life, If you believe an administrator's intervention is required, go to the administrators' noticeboard. LifeofTau 00:01, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Acid jazz is a genre because music scholars, journalists and album reviewers describe it as such. Wikipedia is not going to ignore these very reliable sources just because someone from Essex has a different opinion. Binksternet (talk) 00:14, 19 November 2017 (UTC)