Talk:Abd Allah ibn al-Zubayr

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Was he really a Sahaba? Did he really see the Profet? --Striver 21:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he did. --Islamic 00:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, when was he born? --Striver 11:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
1 AH. He was the first born after Hijra. --Islamic 14:29, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, great info. Do you have a source to back it up so we can add it to the article? --Striver 15:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The source is Tahdhib al-Tahdhib (تهذيب التهذيب) by Ibn Hajar. The birth year is disputed in general, but being the first born after Hijra is not disputed. See also: http://dictionary.al-islam.com/arb/Dicts/SelDict.asp?RDF=1&TL=1&Theme=26&DI=26 --Islamic 14:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is a terrible article. Completely un-encyclopedic— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.66.74.24 (talk) 23:17, 16 November 2014

Why being like this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.93.117.69 (talk) 10:03, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]


The family tree has some inaccuracies. Zubayr Ibn Al_Awwam was not from the Banu Hashim as shown, instead from the Banu Asad as the lineage runs from the father's side. Zubayr's father was Al-Awwam who was from the Banu Asad clan. In this family tree he is shown to be a descendant of Saffiyah (Prophet's [PBUH] aunt and hence from Banu Hashim) but he actually descends from his father's side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.83.42.135 (talk) 16:26, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing inaccurate about it - Banu Asad is a subtribe of Banu Hashim. Imprecise, perhaps, but not inaccurate. 216.170.214.67 (talk) 21:06, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The story of hanging the body on the cross and saying (Isn't it time for this warrior/knight...etc) is attributed to the story of Martyrdom of Zaid (Zayd), the son of imam Ali bin Al-Husayn. Not Abdullah bin Al-Zubayr. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonelytj (talk • contribs) 17:04, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dates need to be consistent[edit]

There are two different birth years in the article. Even if disputed, they should be consistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Droopyfeathers (talk • contribs) 21:55, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Family[edit]

Why do you keep restoring this defective passage? Why do you keep saying that he (Abdullah ibn Zubayr) is born out of Mut'ah? His mother Asma was married to his Father Zubayr without any time limits. Mut'ah is an invention the Shia brought up centuries after the time of the companions of the Prophet (pbuh). Zubayr and Asma were married before the Hijra and Zubayr divorced here years after the Hijra out of free will. In contrast a Mut'ah, which is only practised by the Shia, means that there should have been a contract at the time of marriage, which limits the marriage to a certain time period and automatically dissolves the marriage after that period. There is no single proven source and the Shia sources which are included in the reference do not have any supported Narration chains, nor any single non-Shia source which could strengthen their offensive claim. In Islam everything must be proven either with written record or at least many unrelated eye-witnesses and strong narration chains. Can you provide any single written record of the incident to strengthen your defamations? Why does Wikipedia let these offender defaming our Religion and the honour of our great companions just because they give shia-self-written-books xyz as resources ? What kind of encyclopedia is that, where anybody can come up with unproven resources defaming people with what is merely a non-proven allegation? It heavily discredits Wikipedia as a reliable source of knowledge and the people should warn each other from taking information out of a such unreliable source. I won't delete this part again, because it will be restored by those Shia-fanatics anyway, and wikipedia is doing nothing against these vandalism. I will just boycott wikipedia now and hopefully there will be an encyclopedia in the future which does not focus on quantity of articles but rather on QUALITY and 100% correctness of them! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4DD7:8308:0:4049:E96F:7389:5239 (talk) 11:34, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply] 

  Al-Isfihani and Ibn Abi Al-Hadeed are both well known Sunni sources. Furthermore, just correcting your beliefs, Mut'ah is not a Shi'a invention according to anyone, but both Sunnis and Shi'as agree that it was revealed, with differences on whether it became haram later on or not.بوطانز (talk) 13:18, 15 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 17:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]


I'll get to this shortly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:31, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Sturmvogel 66: I can take over this review, if it is okay for you. Thanks AhmadLX (talk) 15:27, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Sturmvogel 66: I’m looking forward to your review. It has been over a month, but I’m in no rush. However, please let me know if you think you’ll be too busy to tackle this at all. In which case, I have no issue if AhmadLX would like to review this instead. Cheers, —Al Ameer (talk) 16:40, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for my delays on this. Let me take a stab at it; it's a very dense article.
  • External links OK, images appropriately licensed
  • Remove the overlinks for Syria and Mecca in the first para of the revolt section
  • response to the wellspring of opposition forming throughout Arabia wellsping isn't quite correct. I'd suggest "growing opposition throughout"
  • Ahmed needs an ISBN and location
  • Elad needs a location
  • Wellhausen needs an OCLC number and location
  • Very nicely done.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:53, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Sturmvogel 66. Better late than never ;) I’ve addressed the initial issues you’ve raised. Let me know what else needs to be done. —Al Ameer (talk) 01:40, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"He was joined there by Husayn ibn Ali, who claimed the caliphate himself as per the treaty agreed by his brother Hasan (died 670) and Mu'awiya in 661. It stipulated that Husayn would become caliph after Mu'awiya's death if Hasan had already died. Husayn and his supporters made a stand against the Umayyads in Karbala in 680, but were defeated and Husayn was slain."[9] Nowhere does [9] mention why Husayn was revolting. Infact, AFAIK, nowhere did Husyan claim to have based his opposition on the basis of this treaty. As it stands, it is close to WP:OR. AhmadLX-)¯\_(ツ)_/¯) 19:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@AhmadLX: I forgot to remove this after you indicated it to me during the FAC for Mukhtar al-Thaqafi. Please remove the reasoning as it is currently stated and revise accordingly if you have sources. I will copyedit any changes if necessary. Otherwise, I need a few days to get full access to the sources and make the change myself. —Al Ameer (talk) 20:55, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth[edit]

Another encyclopedia gives his year of birth as 622, whilst some on-line sources cite 623 as the year, mentioning also “minor disagreement” as to his birth-year. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 17:42, 25 March 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Marwanid Conquest of Egypt and new map[edit]

@Al Ameer son: The article says that Ibn al-Zubayr lost Egypt to Marwan in March 685. The claim is cited to Kennedy 2004 pp. 80-81. The same claim is attributed to Kennedy 2004, p. 92 in the article on Marwan. Now here it must be the classical Kennedy problem (😂), but the page number/edition issue notwithstanding, I couldn't find in Kennedy 2004 or 2016 that it was March 685. Are you sure it was in 685 and not in 684? If so, I can include the East in Ibn al-Zubayr's domain in this new map. Cheers. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 22:42, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello AhmadLX. Excuse my delayed response, I have been low on time lately. You are right, the Prophet and Age of the Caliphate does not specify the time. From Kennedy (1998) "Egypt as a province in the Islamic caliphate, 641–868" p. 70 (original source probably Egypt-based al-Kindi or Ibn Abd al-Hakam) he implies that Ibn Jahdam was ousted at least by December 684 (Jumada I 65), so there you go. Need to update all of the relevant articles. Nice work on that map by the way ;) --Al Ameer (talk) 19:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm; if it's 684, I think Khurasan can't be added in the map. I will see for Sijistan. AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 19:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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