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Peter Dawson[edit]

As from mid-May 2008 ARIA initiated a website specifically for the ARIA Hall of Fame, it provides a list of Past inductees, look carefully at 1991 - there is no Peter Dawson. Meanwhile back at the older ARIA Awards site there is a History: Winners by Award list of Hall of Fame inductees: it contains Pete (sic) Dawson for 1991. He's also found at Winners by Artist section of the same site. Furthermore, in ARIA's media release of 1 May 2008, which has a website link titled Arai (sic) Presents the 2008 Aria Hall of Fame (PDF format), ARIA states that there are 55 previous inductees and provide a list of 54 (by my count) at the bottom where Peter Dawson is missing. The current article includes Peter Dawson as an ARIA Hall of Fame inductee - I suggest he remain in the list until the situation is clarified - it may be a clerical error when transferring the list from one website to another.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that the website has been updated. Pete Dawson is now on the lists both at the ARIA Hall of Fame website Past inductees (see link above) and the Media release 1 May 2008 has been emended (also linked at PDF above).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:18, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John Laws[edit]

ARIA has announced that John Laws is to be given a Lifetime Achievement Award at the ARIA Hall of Fame ceremmony.[1][2]

Does this mean he is an ARIA Hall of Fame inductee?

Paul Cashmere's article goes on to say: "Previous recipients are Ted Albert, Daryl Somers, Stan Rofe, Ian Meldrum, Michael Gudinski, Ron Tudor, Bill Armstrong, Charles Fisher and last year's recipient John Woodruff."[1] However, none of these names are on the ARIA Hall of Fame inductees list.[2]

Only Ted Albert (1991) is found as a 'Lifetime Achievement Award' recipient at ARIA's own Award winners' site (search History by Award).[3]

Daryl Somers (2000), Stan Rofe (1994), Ian Meldrum (1993), Michael Gudinski & Mushroom Records (1992), Bill Armstrong & Ron Tudor (1999), and Charles Fisher (1997) together with Slim Dusty (1996) and Kylie Minogue (1989) are 'Special Achievement Award' recipients.[4]

I could not find John Woodruff at the ARIA Awards site. Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He's there! A photo of 'Lifetime Achievement' recipient John Woodruff.[5] It seems ARIA haven't updated their Awards database.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not Hall of Fame[edit]

I believe Mr Laws should not be included as a Hall of Fame (HoF) inductee. I don't dispute that he has significantly contributed to Australian music and is certainly a worthy winner of the 'Lifetime Achievement Award'. However, I don't believe they are the same thing.

Two of the current ARIA Hall of Fame criteria are relevant here:

3. Membership into the ARIA Hall of Fame is reserved exclusively for the creators of recorded music, namely the recording artists;
4. The nominees must be responsible for a significant body of recorded work;[2]

Whilst Mr Laws has recorded some works, generally in a country music style, I don't believe it would be considered to be a significant body of recorded work. It is certainly not notable enough to have him into the ARIA Hall of Fame on its own.

If Mr Laws is included as a HoF inductee then by logic so should Ted Albert? What about the Special Achievement recipients, should they also go to HoF?

  1. ^ a b Cashmere, Paul (2008-06-13). "Rolf Harris and John Laws To Receive ARIA Hall of Fame Nods". undercover.com.au. Retrieved 2008-06-14.
  2. ^ a b c "ARIA 2008 Hall of Fame inductees listing". Australian Recording Industry Association. Retrieved 2008-06-15.
  3. ^ "ARIA History by Award - Lifetime Achievement Award". ARIA. Retrieved 2008-06-15.
  4. ^ "ARIA History by Award - Special Achievement Award". ARIA. Retrieved 2008-06-15.
  5. ^ "Lifetime Achievement recipient, John Woodruff". ARIA. Retrieved 2008-06-15.

I request further opinion from editors on this matter.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further information is available from ARIA announces final HOF inductee and Lifetime Achievement Award Recipient (PDF). Dated 13 June 2008, the ARIA news release has the sub-Heading "Rolf Harris will enter the ARIA Hall of Fame while broadcaster John Laws to receive Lifetime Achievement Award" To me this verifies that Mr Laws will be given his Lifetime Achievement Award at the ARIA Hall of Fame ceremony but will NOT be inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:25, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have to support Shaidar cuebiyar's view that receipenants of ARIA 'Lifetime Achivement Award' and 'Special Achievement Award' are not included in the Hall of Fame, as they certainly don't meet the criteria and are not recognised by ARIA as such. Individuals such as John Laws, John Woodruff, Darryl Somers, Molly Meldrum etc are certainly ARIA Award winners and reference should be made to them recieving their awards in the respective articles on the ARIA Awards for that year. Reference should also be probably made to these 'special' awards on the ARIA music awards article but do not support their inclusion in this article. Dan arndt (talk) 07:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:ARIA Hall of Fame/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

stub>Start class: contains sufficient information describing the Hall of Fame to no longer be stub class: more needed to become B-class including criteria, status of Hall of Fame induction within the industry. Australian importance Low > Mid: considerable media interest and discussion regarding inductees each year. Australian music importance: High - the ARIA Hall of Fame honours the iconic music performers by the industry's recognised authority. I have recently edited this article and so may be biased.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Repeat inductees[edit]

Not all former members of a particular band are necessarily inducted into the ARIA Hall of Fame:

  1. John Farnham (2003) was a member of Little River Band but did not get a repeat induction with fellow members in 2004.
  2. Bob Spencer was a member of both Skyhooks (1992) and the Angels (1998) but was not inducted with either line-up. The Skyhooks' members who were inducted: Greg Macainsh, Bob Starkie, Shirley Strachan, Freddie Strauks and Red Symons; while the Angles' members inducted were: Chris Bailey, John Brewster, Rick Brewster, Brent Eccles and Doc Neeson.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:55, 27 November 2016 (UTC)shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:57, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As of September 2022, Spencer is a former member of Rose Tattoo (2006), having joined them in August 2017.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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