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Transferred merger discussion[edit]

The original merger proposal, based on the stub-like nature of this article at the time was to merge it as below. However, the consensus was that this is the most notable designation of the wing and should be the location of the merged article. Here is the discussion from Talk: 551st Electronic Systems Wing

51st Troop Carrier Wing should be merged into this page per WP:MILMOS#UNITNAME (An article about a unit should be placed at "Name (optional disambiguator)". The name should generally be the official name used by the armed forces to which the unit belongs. When a unit or base has had multiple names over the course of its existence, the title should generally be the last name used. This article already included two of the three units consolidated, but omitted the 51st Troop Carrier Wing. The current article on the 51st only escapes being a stub by its formatting. Particularly in view of the long time this wing served as the 551st Airborne Early Warning & Control Wing, I believe the exception allowed in cases where the subject is clearly more commonly known by one of the previous names does not apply. --Lineagegeek (talk) 17:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please make any comments tentative. There seems to be more historical material on the 51st Wing than is reflected in the current article, and it needs to be developed before a merger can be rationally assessed. --Lineagegeek (talk) 00:48, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My instinct is that while the two units may have a shared lineage they are two different entities in terms of what they did. The 51st Troop Carrier may be a stub at the moment but is that because there is nothing to say about it, or because nothing has yet been written about it on wikipedia? I also suspect post merge that incoming links from other articles would be predominately to the WWII unit. GraemeLeggett (talk) 08:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

After finding all that material on the 51st, I tend to agree with you that in the end the 51st page is the place for the merged article. Buckshot06 has pretty much said as much on his talk page. If he chimes in here, I think we have consensus on putting the merged article on the 51st page. Thanks for adding the Hadrian comment. Even though these were AAF gliders, I think with British aircrew on the early missions and British paras on almost all, they can be fairly said to be "on British service." --Lineagegeek (talk) 23:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, merge it all to 51 TCW, and opener something like "The 51 TCW was a blah blah blah during World War II, which also saw less notable postwar service doing AEW and electronics development under other designations.." Buckshot06 (talk) 09:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The expansion of the wing's history was done under the presumption that the merger would proceed as proposed. The history of these changes is at 551st Electronic Systems Wing article history --Lineagegeek (talk) 23:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lineagegeek (talk) 20:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]