Talk:2024 Venezuelan presidential election

Lead

The lead should summarize the irregularities and concerns of previous elections as well as the government intervention in the opposition primaries. ReyHahn (talk) 15:19, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@ReyHahn: Thank you very much for the lead expansion, I think that the current one summarizes the situation pretty well. Political parties interventions can be included once there is enough information in the article. --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:24, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Conduct

Just found out today that Caracas Chronicles has this beautifully put live update of the primaries. I will try starting the section in short. NoonIcarus (talk) 00:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Article name

Shouldn't the name of this article be "2024 Venezuelan presidential election"? First, unless elections are suspended, there's always going to be a "next election", and second, using the year is in line with naming conventions for articles about elections in other countries. I don't want to simply rename the page without consensus, and I'm not sure how to make the proposal for a name change, so anybody should feel free to do the latter if they agree with me. Ira Leviton (talk) 14:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Two ways to go with it. Change it to 2024 Venezuelan presidential election or wait a bit (Venezuelan elections are a mess). The former will need update if the date changes but it is not a problem. I am ok with both.--ReyHahn (talk) 20:13, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and moved the article. It is very unlikely that said elections will take place this year, and the only way that elections don't take place next year is that they are postponed or suspended. At this point, I think it's better to reconsider a rename only if that happens, and keep the current title ("2024 Venezuelan presidential election"). --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

The Polling data

After reading the poll source that the article says 60% refused to answer, I saw that it instead said that they were undecided/not commited to either the opposition or PSUV. The author of the source also indicates this in his writing in it. Is there any reason why it is labeled misleadingly in the article? 66.44.40.36 (talk) 23:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Maduro picture

Is Maduro already confirmed? Why is he in the infobox? ReyHahn (talk) 10:13, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

@ReyHahn: I found this article that mentions that National Assembly Speaker Jorge Rodríguez said that he was going to tbe the official candiate, but I would say further confirmation is needed. What seems to be clear is pro-government officials ruling out running as candidates. --NoonIcarus (talk) 21:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

It seems to soon to be added to the infobox. The lack of information in the whole process should be reflected here.--ReyHahn (talk) 09:21, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@ReyHahn: Roger that, I have removed the image accordingly. I have left the PSUV since they're still the ruling party, but leaving the candidate parameter as "to be announced". Let me know what you think. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Recent candidates

Hi @Hulk Pelo:, best wishes. Could you please confirm if the recent candidates added in the infobox have officially inscribed to the electoral process? (Antonio Ecarri Angola, Luis Eduardo Martinez and Daniel Ceballos). If so, said information could be updated in the article. Kind regards, NoonIcarus (talk) 10:30, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Just reading that this is the case:[1][2][3]. --NoonIcarus (talk) 10:38, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

Des anyone know how to make the infobox that has all of the candidates smaller? Ballers1919 (talk) 17:43, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Done. Number 57 18:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Lead 2

Regarding this edit, what the lead currently needs it's an update. It's from around and before the opposition primaries, in November, and it currently should show the process of the inscription of candidates. That naturally means an update to the article, though. I'll see what I can help with later. NoonIcarus (talk) 11:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Running mates

There's a section in the article's main infobox that mentions "running mates" for candidates, which is blank for all candidates with the exception of Juan Carlos Alvarado being listed as Luis Eduardo Martínez' running mate. The figure of a running mate doesn't exist in Venezuelan elections since the Vice President is not an elected official—it's appointed by the President like ministers are. 190.103.58.14 (talk) 17:40, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Endorsements section

Most of the Endorsements section is primary sourced, WP:UNDUE, and needs to be deleted; only those mentioned in secondary sources should be retained. Please review WP:NOT -- not a directory, not a blog, not a webhost, not a publisher of original thought. The entire section is just not encyclopedic, and not what Wikipedia should be used for. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

And many of the bare-URL, primary source tweets don't even verify the text. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 10:41, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Content moved to Talk:2024 Venezuelan presidential election/Endorsements. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 10:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

If a politician or former politician, or a political party, states "vote for this candidate". That is an endorsement. The Spanish version of this page includes the political parties that have thrown their support behind a candidate. Most Wikipedia pages that cover elections use an endorsement page. There should be no need for a secondary source when the person states on their OWN social media page "Vote for this candidate", that's an endorsement. Yes, it is possible that some of them were not cited correctly, but the endorsement page is very significant, especially in this election in Venezuela. Let's not undo everything until we can find a solution. There is nothing "blog" or "web host" like of an endorsements page. That is exactly why Wikipedia gives the option to make an Endorsements box, to use it for endorsements.

If it makes more sense, let's clean up the endorsements section INSTEAD of deleting everything. Or if it is easier, let's make a specific page for "Endorsements of the campaigns 2024 Venezuela presidential election" or something similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ballers1919 (talk • contribs) 17:48, May 5, 2024 (UTC)

Please sign and correctly thread your talk page posts. Undue original research to this extent can't be cleaned up; there is narry a secondary source in the lot. Further, this is an important article this year, and the UNDUE primary-source content is overwhelming the article, which also has considerable cleanup needs (including WP:PROSELINE, datedness, prose issues, and more bare URLs); restoring UNDUE content (almost all tweets, not all of which are actually even endorsements) impedes progress that is needed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Ballers1919, per Wikipedia:Political endorsements and specifically, the inclusion criteria outlined here, [4] "Lists of endorsements should only include endorsements which have been covered by reliable independent sources." That means endorsements shouldn't be sourced to tweets and need a better source. David O. Johnson (talk) 19:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

See also point 3 on that page. Further, what is on the Spanish Wikipedia has no relevance here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)