Talk:2021 Jersey dispute/GA1

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 18:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"The 2021 Jersey dispute is a dispute..." yuck. I think this is a good candidate for not forcing the name of the article into the opening sentence. Done fixed by Buidhe.
"part of the UK the" comma after UK. Done
I would call UK as United Kingdom at least the first time. Done
One ref in the lead? Odd, either ref the lot or none of it (preferred) and make sure everything in the lead is mentioned in the main body of the article and referenced there. Done
The lead ends and we're kind of left guessing what's happening now or what the conclusion was? Done
"Jersey is a Crown dependency" was a capital D before. Done
That first para is unreferenced. Done
Link Breton. Done
""from St Helier, and" where is that? Link? Done
" Saint Malo " our article hyphenates this. Done
This description is crying out for a map... (instead of some people playing petanque perhaps...) Agree Will take a little while to produce some original artwork as nothing on Commons quite fits the bill. ω Awaiting
Update: I have made a request at the map workshop to see if someone is willing to create the map rather than me doing it.
Image captions which are complete sentences should have a full stop. Done
"up to three miles from" nautical ones? Conversion... Done
"of the Bailiwick of" why is that a capital B?
"Bailiwick of Jersey" is the full legal name for the island of Jersey and its associated reefs; I didn't wikilink Bailiwick of Jersey here as that's just a redirect to Jersey; it is more useful to link the term 'bailiwick' as that article explains the meaning of the term.
"belonging or controlled by anyone" belonging to or ... Done
"but it was inadequate for modern fishing practices" why? Done
" Lieutenant-Governor of Jersey" no hyphen according to our article. Done
"between three and twelve nautical miles off" conversions. Done
""agreement.[17][13]" ref order. Done
"After the UK left the EU in 2020..." this para is unreferenced. Done
Ref 19 doesn't cite that whole para. Done
"up until the eleventh hour" bit journalese, just stick with neutral tone. Done
"The TCA initially only..." this para is unreferenced. Done

There's a lot to do here. I'll pause my review at this point while we see how you get on with these issues, and preferably apply their essence across the rest of the article, particularly with regard to referencing. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:18, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Thanks for your time reviewing this and your useful comments. I've started work on these improvements, and I'm tracking progress above. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, let me know when you think you're ready to move on to the next set of comments. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 23:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are we ready? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Been open around a month now, any progress? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: There was no ping and I didn't see your message until just now. I didn't realise that I'd need to add the GA review page to my watchlist separately to the transclusion on the article talk page - I have done so now. ~~There are two statements is one statement that I need to find references for, but those aside,~~ it would be great if you could continue your review. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:34, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"TCA says that" the quote marks shouldn't be in italics. In both instances. And any other such quotes. Done
Virginijus Sinkevičius has a missing diacritic. Done
"over 12 metres" onvert. And consider "more than 12 metres (39 ft) in length". Done
"amendments[30] to the Sea Fisheries (Jersey) Law 1994[31] and" awkward, jarring ref placement, can happily all be placed at the end of the sentence. Done
""boats operating in its waters" unref'ed.
Now that the two references moved to avoid the jarring ref placement are at the end of the sentence it is no longer unreferenced. Are you content as it now is?
"with a further 14 pending" as of when? Done it was as of the date mentioned earlier in that sentence, which I have now made clearer
"Only three Jersey..." as of when? Done the source does not say but I have added as of the date of the source and of this press release
"were granted licences" did this happen automatically or did they have to apply for the licence? And if the latter, how many did?
There's an application form on the GOV.UK website but I don't want to stray into original research. I don't know if more applied than were granted licences.
"therefore had no effect..." do you mean could/would not be enforced?
I remember other sources using the words 'null and void'. I can find those if you think it helps?
"It complained at how ..." unref. Done
Sénatrice what's that?
Sénatrice is the title of a female member of the French senate. As that article says 'it is made up of 348 Senators (sénateurs and sénatrices)'. I thought it useful to use the term to distinguish between the Jersey senators and the French senators.
"In protest at the system..." unref. Done
Suddenly quotes are not in italics. If it was me, I'd un-italicise all quotes. Done per MOS:NOITALQUOTE
"the twelve mile limit" convert. Done
"MV Commodore Goodwill " MV is not italicised. Done fixed per WP:SHIPPREFIX
"protest - a speedboat" en-dash. Done
"11:40am" non-breaking space before am. Done
"around 2pm" likewise. Done
"ports of Carteret" - is that the same as Barneville-Carteret?
The Port of Carteret is the correct name for the port within the commune - see Barneville-Carteret#Port of Carteret
"the Manche government" what is that?
See Manche#Politics

That's taken me to the Reactions section. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Assuming you are comfortable with my responses above, I think we're good to continue with the next section(s). Thanks for your time on this. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:46, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"lack of understanding and discontent" probably better the other way around in case "lack of ... discontent" is read. Done
"use... retaliatory" non-breaking space before the ellipsis. Done
"defence secretary" not linked, but other government posts appear to be linked. What's the strategy? Done
"UK Government said that" more like they "released a statement to the effect that" Done
"the British Government by" you previously called this the UK Government, and didn't link it... Done changed British to United Kingdom for consistency
"However on 12 May Girardin" -> "However, on 12 May, Girardin" Done
"a 16 metre French" convert, adjective. Done
"Norman Le Brocq intercepted the fishing boat, and its skipper" which "its"? Unclear in the current sentence structure. Done
Is there a reason there are three useful sources in "Further reading" rather than them being used in the article? Done I have moved one of them to the list of potential sources on the talk page
Be consistent with referencing, e.g. add access-dates to all online sources, not to just some of them. Done
Date formats in references should be consistent as well. Done
Fr24 looks like a dab link. Done
Several spaced hyphens, should be spaced en-dashes. Done
Same question applies to some of the external links as I asked about the Further reading section, one or two of those look like they can be used inline. Done I have moved one of them to the list of potential sources on the talk page; the others I believe do belong as external links

That's it on a first pass. When it's all done and the unresolved issues from previous review segments are handled, drop me a line and I'll take another look from the top. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:20, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: this batch of issues have been addressed. It would be great if you could do a final review of the overall article when you have time. Thanks. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still seeing the odd unreferenced sentence in there. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:28, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Curb Safe Charmer I left this note a month back... any progress? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:13, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: There had been one CN tag which I had added after your first review but forgot to address - this was fixed on 9 August. I saw the two CNs you added on 13 August and addressed those just now. I think everything that needs a reference has one. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:06, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Status query[edit]

The Rambling Man, Curb Safe Charmer, where does this nomination stand? It looks like Curb Safe Charmer made a number of edits on 16 August; is there anything left to do on their part? Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:16, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's still in progress. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 07:52, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, look forward to seeing the map, but promoting as other issues resolved. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:18, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Thanks for your time spent on this review. The article is much better for it. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 11:52, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you're welcome. All good things come to those who wait! Cheers. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 12:02, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]