Talk:2014–15 UEFA Europa League

Allocations

I thought that, in addition to the winners qualifying for CL, there were significant changes to allocations per country.

Starting from 2015–16 UEFA Europa League. Chanheigeorge (talk) 10:55, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Teams that have guaranteed a spot in EL, but may still qualify for UCL

Manchester City have guaranteed a spot in 14/15 EL by winning English League Cup. Real Madrid and FC Barcelona are the Spanish Copa del Rey finalists and they will finish among top 7 in La Liga so both of them have guaranteed a spot in EL next year. All three teams may still qualify for 14/15 UCL. Manchester City have been included in this page, but Real and Barcelona have not. Is this right? In my opinion, Man City shouldn't be included until it is clear that they will actually play in Europa League next year. Tykyheg (talk) 08:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

You have a valid point but the big difference is that ManCity actually has qualified for the tournament (which is why they are shown) and Real or Barcelona has not tehnically qualified so we dont show them. I think we should show them as we do now since ManC have qualified and there is a note to it saying they may go to CL. QED237 (talk) 12:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, I think showing ManC here is misleading information. Anyone who sees this may think "Wow! Man City will play Europa League next year!", and there is a 99% chance that this will not happen. But I don't mind that much. Leave it as it stands. :) Tykyheg (talk) 09:57, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

No, the difference is that Real and Barca have already qualified for the Champions League since they can't finish any lower than 4th in La Liga. - filelakeshoe (t / c) 10:21, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

They were not qualified on 26 March 2014 ;) Tykyheg (talk) 20:15, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Portuguese League/Nacional

Nacional is listed to have qualified to the Europa League as 5th in the ZON Sagres, but they are 9 points ahead of Braga who have 3 games left. If Braga win their 3 games and Nacional lose their 2 games, they finish equal on points and it is down to goal difference. Likewise, if Nacional win both games and Estoril lose both games, they could finish 4th.

According to the domestic league rules, head-to-head is not used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayefjuve (talk • contribs) 13:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

@Nayefjuve: According to the rules below the table on the league wikipedia page 2013–14 Primeira Liga#League table head-to-head is the first tibreaker and then Nacional has 4-2 on Braga and 3-5 against Estoril. Do you have a source saying it is not head to head? QED237 (talk) 14:45, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Under the table for classification, and reference 33 is cited, it says: "LPFP decided that, during the competition, only criteria 1, 5, 6 and 7 would be applied to establish the classification"

2 is head-to-head whereas 5 is goal difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayefjuve (talk • contribs) 19:50, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Exactly, during the competition...When all matches has been played they will be fifth as then head-to-head is used and it is only when all matches is finished they could eventually tie on points. QED237 (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Gibraltar team

Hi,

There has been dubious information around on the internet regarding who gets the EL spot for Gibraltar now that Lincoln won both league and cup. Normally it would go to the cup runners-up but not for gibraltar as I will try and source here. Feel free to add sources and discuss the case wheter you agree or not.

Sources for Manchester 62 is in EL is:

1. [1]
2. [2]
3. [3]

Source that say GFA (advised by UEFA) will decide monday:

1. [4]

QED237 (talk) 16:53, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

The cup runners-up qualify for EL is a written rule in UEFA regulations (rule 2.04 of [5], and each FA cannot make up their own rules to give away the cup runners-up spot to a team through the league. Chanheigeorge (talk) 17:34, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

I know, it is a weird situation. Now even UEFA says the plays go to manchester: The result means that Manchester 62 FC, who finished runners-up to Lincoln in the league, will be Gibraltar's first UEFA Europa League representatives next season.. QED237 (talk) 20:42, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Wow, now UEFA has removed that text from the article. Big confusion. QED237 (talk) 21:23, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

We'll see. Pretty clear per regulations it's College. Without knowing details of meeting noone knows if UEFA had made an exception or will make one because of the FA's mails to the clubs. -21:42, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Seems to me that UEFA "promised" an exception to GFA, but has come to regret it since it contradicts their own regulations which will open a big can of worms with other FA also asking for exceptions (not to mention College Europa is likely to win if they decide to take it to court), so now they are "advising" (or more accurately "pressuring") the GFA to reverse the decision themselves to avoid a big embarrassment to both UEFA and GFA. Chanheigeorge (talk) 22:02, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

No matter what, both teams have announced on twitter they will play in Europa League and this is poorly handed by UEFA. Someone will be disappointed. I am surprised that this has not been discussed in media over the world. UEFA has kept it quiet. But probably it will end up with College as you said Chanheigeorge. Seems like Gibraltar thought they could go by "League Cup"-rules like France and England, where runners-up dont get the place (like it does in FA cup in England) but it goes do best-placed league team. QED237 (talk) 11:13, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

At this point, the only people who know about this issue are: 1. People in Gibraltar; 2. You and me and others who edit Wikipedia. UEFA can still more or less deny the "promise" has ever taken place (I doubt it is ever written down formally) and claim it as a "misunderstanding" of the rules from the GFA side. BTW, the "League Cup" rule is rule 2.03 [6]: "In special circumstances, the winner of another official domestic competition may be entered for the UEFA Europa League instead of the lowest ranking top domestic league representative referred to in paragraphs 2.02(b) and 2.02(c), provided such a competition has been approved by UEFA before the start of the season in question (see Annex Ia)." Which does not apply since: 1. Manchester 62 did not win another competition; 2. College Europa does not qualify through the league. Anyway, I suggest UEFA just gives another spot to Gibraltar, then everybody goes home happy :-) Chanheigeorge (talk) 12:12, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

EL spot given to College Europa. Schnapper (talk) 13:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, great. Now lets see if we can find a reliable source other than twitter. QED237 (talk) 13:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

1. [7] Schnapper (talk) 21:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Great, a good reliable source. I would say we should go with that one. QED237 (talk) 21:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Dinamo Bucharest

On the Romanian league page, it states that Dinamo filed for insolvency and will not play in Europe next season; Cluj would take their place, but here they are listed as Romania's 4th placed team to compete in EL. I checked the news and their insolvency is not reversed, so why are they now listed instead of Cluj? Nayefjuve (talk) 18:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Liga I articles has that statement unsourced. this suggests Burcharest will play Europa League. -Koppapa (talk) 18:43, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

This official press release (21 May 2014) say that the decisiuon to exlude bucharest is incorrect and that they are appealing the decision, so they are not out yet. QED237 (talk) 23:14, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I found sources that confirm the insolvency but also state that Dinamo obtained licenses from Liga I and UEFA to compete next season, so they indeed qualify: [8] Nayefjuve (talk) 01:00, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Újpest

Újpest didn't get the UEFA licens,so thay can't participate the competation. --VeszélyesElem (talk) 07:24, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Do you have any sources? QED237 (talk) 09:18, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Only in Hungarian language: http://www.nb1.hu/hirek/csak-az-ujpest-nem-kapott-uefa-klublicencet

2014–15 UEFA/NB I klublicence get clubs: – BUDAPEST HONVÉD – DVTK <-- – DVSC-TEVA – FERENCVÁROSI TC – GYŐRI ETO FC – MTK BUDAPEST – PMFC-MATIAS – SZOMBATHELYI HALADÁS – VIDEOTON FC

2014–15 NB I klublicence get clubs: – BÉKÉSCSABA 1912 ELŐRE – DUNAÚJVÁROS PASE – FGSZ SIÓFOK – GYIRMÓT FC GYŐR – KAPOSVÁRI RÁKÓCZI FC – KTE-PHOENIX MECANO – LOMBARD PÁPA TERMÁL FC – MEZŐKÖVESD ZSÓRY FC – MVM-PAKS – NYÍREGYHÁZA SPARTACUS FC – PUSKÁS AKADÉMIA FC – ÚJPEST FC <--

--VeszélyesElem (talk) 10:20, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Tromsö coefficient

There is i difference in the sources regarding coefficient for Tromsö. Kassiesa (normally very reliable) has 8.355 and UEFA has 9.855. Which is correct?

It would be easy to say UEFA is the official source, but in this case they have given Tromsö 4points last season even if they were eliminated in playoff, which would be 1.5 points according to UEFA coefficient article and they started and ended same round as Astra Giurgu, which got 2.8 points (same as Kassiesa). It seems to me (without doing all calculations) that UEFA has given to much points to Tromsö, but what do we do? Maybe UEFA will not even notice this and go with "faulty" coefficient? QED237 (talk) 10:11, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Kassies gave 2, UEFA gave 3.5 (+0.52 is from the associations ranking). They were eliminated in the playoffs (1.5) but then readded to group stage and received the minimum guaranteed of 2 points there. -Koppapa (talk) 11:03, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay I totally missed the fact that they got re-added in group stage. I guess that the reason for the 1.5point difference is that UEFA has given them points for "play-off eliminated" and Kassiesa has not since they did play group stage (so not eliminated). It is all interpretation of the rules if they should have those points or not, because they were eliminated, but they played group stage. QED237 (talk) 11:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

UEFA says it was a computer mistake. And have fixed the error. The same accounts for APOEL of Cyprus. Which is playing in the CL qualification this season.--Kjello (talk) 21:32, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Thy fixed it. -Koppapa (talk) 05:12, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Derry City FC nationality

I notice that Derry have been given an Irish tricolour flag beside their name. They play in the Airtiricty League in the Republic of Ireland, but they are from Derry in Northern Ireland and should have a Northern Irish flag.

Perhaps this has been discussed previously, but isn't the usually practice to refer to them as Irish, rather than Northern Irish. LOI Statistics (talk) 21:54, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

The flags represent the association they play for. Derry play for ROI despite being based in Northern Ireland - they qualified via the Irish football association's places and any coefficient points they get count towards ROI and not NI. There's a note explaining this under the list of teams. – filelakeshoe (t / c)  22:09, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Group F

After the 4th martchday of Group F, Saint-Étienne must be in the 2nd, Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk in the 3rd, and Qarabağ in the 4th places. #[9] Please, correct a mistake.--User 111 11:28, 7 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by User 111 (talk • contribs)

" Standings are provisional until all group matches have been played." Wikipedia uses head-to-head during the group stage. UEFA only after the group stage is finished. It does not matter though. -07:45, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Qualification. Advance to knockout phase???

On the groups table teams that are qualified for the next round are marked in green and that is enough. Then, you have the letter A beside them which is unnessecary but OK... But what an idiot will put beside that on every group information "Qualification. Advance to knockout phase" which never been in wikipedia for 10 years and which messes up the 5x5 matches table on the right (you can't see one row). Please remedy that. Also in Champions league is the same, looks grose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.207.46.10 (talk) 08:27, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Title holders qualification

Trying to gather consensus in regards to this discussion (and this revert).

In the past (before 2015–16) the Europa League title holders qualified directly to the Europa League group stage, if they did not enter the Champions League based on their domestic performance. In two cases that I know of (2012–13 with Atlético Madrid and 2014–15 with Sevilla) the title holders would have qualified for the Europa League group stage anyway, based on their domestic performance. Currently, these teams are listed (here and here) as having qualified by being title holders. But these sources seem to indicate that the holders qualified based on their domestic performance, and that the title holders berth was "vacated", with a team moving up from a previous round filling that spot. This is similar to what happens currently if the Champions League holders qualify for the CL group stage based on domestic performance (the holders spot is passed to the Europa League holders or the champions of the 13th ranked association).

• [10] "Sevilla FC earned [a] group place by finishing fifth in Spain, ..."
• [11] "Sevilla FC already have that spot from Spain as they were fifth in the Liga."
• [12] "If the titleholder qualifies for the UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, the number of places to which its association is entitled in the UEFA Europa League does not change." That is, in this case, the number of teams from its association that qualify based on domestic performance stays at 3, including the holders.

I think that, in these cases, the holders should be listed the same way we list the Champions League holders in similar situations (see Barcelona here), as if they qualified based on their domestic performance, but also indicating that they are the title holders. That is what I did with this edit, but it was reverted with a terse explanation. Bmf 051 (talk) 15:38, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Pinging a few people that seem to regularly edit Europa League season articles. @Qed237: @Chanheigeorge: @The Replicator: @Ayomaju: @LICA98: Bmf 051 (talk) 15:38, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Champions League/Europa League title holder status has precedence over league position or cup winning status, unless the Europa League winners qualify for Champions League group stage by league position. The Replicator (talk) 15:52, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Cite your source. The sources above say otherwise, if the holders qualified for the the Europa League group stage based on domestic performance. Bmf 051 (talk) 16:45, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

@Bmf 051: Well, I've been checking again, and now I think you've got a point. Atlético Madrid won the Europa League in 2011–12 and finished 5th in the league, same for Sevilla in 2013–14, so they qualified to Europa League group stage both ways, am I right? If that's the case, and if the practice on Champions League articles is putting TH and position, then it should be practice on Europa League too. The Replicator (talk) 19:01, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Both ways seem ok to me... LICA98 (talk) 18:05, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

@LICA98: I agree that both are "okay". Leaving the qualification off would be "okay" too. But if we're going to list how a team qualified, really the question is which one is correct according to other sources. Only one way so far is supported by other sources. Bmf 051 (talk) 21:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)