Talk:2012 Quebec general election

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CAQ in infobox[edit]

Should the CAQ be in the infobox since they don't have representation in the National Assembly? We have this conversation whenever someone adds the Green Party to an election infobox, and it is always a contentious issue. I'm willing to make an exception in this case because unlike the Green Party, the CAQ has been polling at such levels that they cannot be ignored at this point, but I also know that, while a week is a long time in politics, between now and election day is an eternity, and who knows if the CAQ will continue the levels of support they are currently receiving. Your thoughts? Bkissin (talk) 02:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How? They were just registered. 117Avenue (talk) 04:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but pollsters in Quebec have been asking about it for a while now. here and here What many analysts have been suggesting is that the CAQ has the opportunity (at least at this point, with its current popularity) to form the government. Bkissin (talk) 13:15, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Does a column need to be added to the opinion polls table? 117Avenue (talk) 14:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Probably. Or, like we did in the 28th Alberta general election article, differentiate between which polls mention Legault and/or the CAQ with an asterisk. Bkissin (talk) 23:10, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We agreed at Talk:Ontario general election, 2007#Infobox inclusion and Talk:Ontario general election, 2011#Green Party in Infobox the at about 5% in the polls is the line to include a non-sitting party. 117Avenue (talk) 03:54, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What is pre-creation suppose to mean? GoodDay (talk) 14:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Last election: pre-creation", the last election was before the creation of the party, I thought it was obvious. "Last election: New Party", would be incorrect. 117Avenue (talk) 03:54, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to see them in the polls, before including them in the infobox. 117Avenue (talk) 05:55, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They already have been in the polls. If you looks at the most recent Léger Marketing polls, they include a hypothetical poll that lists "New Party led by François Legault." --Noname2 (talk) 15:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Could this be added to the article? Because right now there is no explanation as to why this party should be in the infobox. 117Avenue (talk) 02:10, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The PDF here is the Leger poll from October 28, and it has "Le Parti de François Legault" at 35% of the vote, well ahead of the Liberals and the PQ, at 22 and 20% respectively. And a CROP poll from August 25 suggests that with or without merging with the ADQ, the party would get somewhere between 38-40% of the vote. I hope that helps a little bit. Bkissin (talk) 03:36, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

CAQ Colour[edit]

Does anyone have any input on what the colour for the CAQ should be? I made the current purple by combining the blue and the red from their original logo, but I don't think it really matches their new look. The most predominant colour on their new logo and website is light blue, but there are too many blue parties already. I was thinking of changing it to #66CC99, which combines the green and the blue from their logo. --Noname2 (talk) 21:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blue seems to be the predominate colour of their website. But it does look too close to the PQ. 117Avenue (talk) 05:54, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
the website [1] has a deeper blue than their logo, which is close to that of the U.S. Democratic party or Obama campaign.
I have spotted this in the source code : #0088CC (quite clear) and #016289 (deeper), but other blue shades are sea-like. Kahlores (talk) 18:37, 5 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who is the Québec Solidaire candidate in Roberval??? Two people, apparently...[edit]

Is it Guy Martin? [2][3]
or Olivier Bouchard-Lamontagne? [4][5][6]

On the page http://www.quebecsolidaire.net/equipe/page/4/?es=c , Roberval is mentioned twice, but Nicolet-Bécancour is not mentioned at all. Does anyone feel like doing some original research to clear this up? I.e., maybe contact the party and tell them to fix their website. Meanwhile, secondary sources aren't much help, since radio-canada.ca has separate articles mentioning both would-be candidates. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 19:34, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

QS decided not to run a candidate against Aussant in Nicolet-Bécancour in exchange for ON not running a candidate against Françoise David in Gouin (see here and here). I have no explanation for the two candidates in Roberval. ABJIKLAMǁTǁC 20:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Look at [7] and see "*Candidature à venir". You can also scroll down the candidates menu and see the same elsewhere. That probably means it's going to be either one of the two.
Otherwise, I suggest adding somewhere a list of arrangements such as the one passed between ON and QS. The process might be decisive and their existence or non-existence is decisive in explaining the results. Much better than the aggregate of the popular vote, for instance. Moreover, they explain the relationships between parties. Kahlores (talk) 23:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PQ and CAQ colours[edit]

Considering how close the colours for the PQ ad the CAQ are, I think they should be made more distinctive. The blue used in the CAQ's logo is about the same as the one used here, but the PQ's logo is quite darker. I undestand how changing an old party's colour because of a new one could be perceived, but nevertheless... I already tried changing the PQ's blue to the one used by the federal Conservatives (I know I know...), but it got changed back in 3 minutes. Shame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.90.45 (talk) 21:55, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The colour you tried to change the PQ to is the same one already being used for the provincial Conservatives as well. You could try proposing a new colour, but a lot of parties in Quebec like to use blue, and if you make the PQ darker, it might end up looking too much like Option nationale, Unité Nationale, and the Conservatives. At the moment we have 3 parties using dark shades of blue and 3 parties using light shades of blue (though the CAQ is a greenish blue). --Noname2 (talk) 22:12, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really get what the blue we are using, for the CAQ, is based off of. I see the French article uses purple, and I'm guessing that is what you get when you mix all the colours of their logo together, or at least the red and blue. Should we follow suit? 117Avenue (talk) 03:01, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For me it is now visible, but I have a good lighting of my screen. Ultimately you could still add a coloured letter in the cell. Kahlores (talk) 14:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Considering its use by the media (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/QC-election-map.html, http://blogues.journaldemontreal.com/elections2012/actualites/projections_avant_debats/ ), the French article's precedent and the overuse of blue as a party colour in Quebec as Noname2 pointed out, I think it would be better to do what 117Avenue suggested and change the CAQ's colour to purple. Opinions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.229.72.144 (talk) 15:34, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
After mixing some of the colours of the CAQ logo, I came up with a shade close to Dark Orchid, it is also close to the shade used on the French Wikipedia. 117Avenue (talk) 04:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed the colour back to match the colours used by the media (in particular, the english media) I am not saying we can not find a better shade of blue for the CAQ, but the CAQ is in no way associated with purple or "orchid". Nickjbor (talk) 12:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
After some thinking, I changed it back. The fact is, however, that the PQ uses a dark blue. Much darker than the Bloc does, and we should not use the same blue for the Bloc as we do for the PQ. My personal preference is for colours like this http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NQNppEby5fs/UDUvA2tuerI/AAAAAAAAAUE/Cx848GXok1o/s1600/0mapquebec.gif as they contrast very well, but this is a map of my own making so perhaps that argument is self serving. Regardless of what colours the parties have right now here on wikipedia, once the election is over and all the media outlets (the English ones in particular) have their graphics, we should adjust our colours to match. Nickjbor (talk) 12:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why does language matter? As long as it is a respected media outlet, we should consider it. 117Avenue (talk) 02:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As the English Language Wikipedia we should report things as other English Language outlets do. Regardless, I do not foresee any difference. Nickjbor (talk) 12:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer we use the same colour as the French article. It's more desaturated and doesn't stand out so much from the other colours. --Noname2 (talk) 18:41, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Option Nationale[edit]

ON needs to be listed in the candidate section (I mean in a separate column like QS, why are they in Others ?). They have 123 / 125 candidates for this election. Lotheric (talk) 15:46, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Charet's picture[edit]

Given the recent back-and-forth over the infobox image of Jean Charet, I'd like to state for the record that I prefer the new (hatless) version. While not the most flattering picture, it is better than the poorly-lit one where he looks like he needs a laxative. -Rrius (talk) 23:33, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of candidates[edit]

Is the list of candidates from the DGEQ really final? It seems a number of Green candidates (as listed on their website) are missing, as well as some from Option nationale and the Quebec Citizens' Union. --Noname2 (talk) 02:06, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See http://dgeq.qc.ca/english/news-detail.php?id=4229 , the deadline for candidacy was Saturday 18 August at 2 pm. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 16:51, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the search page for candidates, by party and by riding (electoral division). Here is a text file with all candidates, if anyone feels like cross-checking with our list. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 17:30, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]


2 QS people in infobox?[edit]

Since the party has two people who share the role of "spokesperson", and Khadir was not the one who participated in the debate, is there any way to have two names and photographs in the infobox instead of one? Esn (talk) 12:10, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is what they do in German elections. I'll see if I can make it happen. Nickjbor (talk) 12:14, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Assassination Attempt[edit]

There really should be some kind of mention about the assassination attempt, as this is bigger news than the election in many countries Nickjbor (talk) 05:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It needs an update. it says "possible gunshots" when one was killed, and another hospitalized, the arsonist arrested, a gun recovered -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 07:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It made international news... front page coverage at BBC [8] and TOI [9] and Fox News [10] and FranceTV [lestitres] and France24 [11][12]-- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 12:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
For those who read French, there's a page on the french wikipedia ( fr:Attentat du Métropolis ) where you can find several sources, including many in English. Compte temporaire (talk) 15:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It has a separate article now... 2012 Montreal shooting -- 76.65.131.248 (talk) 08:29, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Turnout[edit]

I'm looking and can't find the turnout for this election in percentage terms. Previous election articles included this, and there seems to be some confusion about what the actual number is, so it certainly would be useful especially if it really is higher than 2008.--66.130.78.189 (talk) 11:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It was 74.61%: http://monvote.qc.ca/fr/resultatsSommaire.asp -- Earl Andrew - talk 11:55, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

I'm wondering whether it makes sense to keep ON in the infobox. The party did not win any seats so can we really call it the "fifth party"? ABJIKLAMǁTǁC 20:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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2008-12 poll table error[edit]

I've noticed that the table for the 2008 to 2012 polls doesn't have the top header detailing the party names. This can be fixed in an unsightly way by adding an extra row between the top bar and the party names. Is there another solution to fix this? BSMIsEditing (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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