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References[edit]

  • Per the Wiki news references, the proper, and cleaner way to cite a news article is as follows (in this example):


<ref name="Another diverse schedule">
<small>{{cite news |url=http://sports.yahoo.com/irl/news?slug=txindycarnotebook&prov=st&type=lgns
|title=Another diverse schedule 
|publisher=IndyCar.com
|date=[[2007-09-18]]
|accessdate=2007-09-18
}}</small></ref>

Followed by the "<references/>" tag at the bottom of the page.

As a tip, including the "<small> & </small>" tags help allow the references from taking up too much room on the bottom of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctorindy (talk • contribs) 13:37, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion Starter[edit]

I just undid a number of edits that have been made and then undone before. I think we should have a discussion section explaining why the page is in the state it is in, so future editors know not to make edits that have previously been reverted and avoid an edit war. Kenhullett (talk) 20:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NHL Racing and McDonald's[edit]

In the absence of any announcement from the company or team we cannot assume that this sponsorship will continue. Sponsorship deals are often for a single season only. But even if some one can find a cite that indicates a multi-year deal, the fact that the team changed both drivers and series would necessitate a renegotiation. We especially cannot assume that the sponsorship will expand from one car to two. Kenhullett (talk) 20:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, but where's this stuff about working with another team, in this case Rahal/Letterman, come from? Why was this stated without citation (i.e. proof)??? There's no mention of any such thing on the NewmanHaas site, or any other mainstream site (Indycar, or any authorative motorsports site) I have seen.--Amedeo Felix (talk) 14:30, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was announced on the IRL website, and reported in other major news outlets, such as SpeedTV. There is a citation in the article if you look. Here it is again: http://www.indycar.com/news/story.php?story_id=10633 Kenhullett (talk) 16:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please... If I look??? Isn't the standard to place a citation/footnote link at the point where the entry is? E.G. Newman Haas are gonna work with what's his face[1]--Amedeo Felix (talk) 15:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Seems much cleaner to have just one reference at the end of the list than to repeat it 6 times. But if you want to change it, go ahead.Kenhullett (talk) 21:45, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As a follow up to this debate. I just had a good look at teh IndyCar site and the only mention of Rahal/Letterman in conjunction with NewmanHaas is that Rahal Jnr had an IRL seat made at his dad's factory. Hardly what I would call "working with"...--Amedeo Felix (talk) 12:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did you read the story I linked to above?Kenhullett (talk) 16:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and what it says doesn't count much more as "working with". they speak of giving teh newcomers basic baseline information. that sounds like a one-off batch of data being given over and not "working with". --Amedeo Felix (talk) 18:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC) - Better phraseology would be to say something like "Will be paired with XXX in order to be provided with some basic information, e.g. on tracks not visited" or some similar...--Amedeo Felix (talk) 18:33, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Back to the original subject of this section. In N/H/L's press release today stating that they wouldn't be at the Sebring test, it confirmed that their car numbers will be #02 (Wilson) and #06 (Rahal) and that Wilson will be sponsored by McDonald's. It did not include a sponsor for Rahal. -Drdisque (talk) 04:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a link? I don't see any of that info in the news item on the IRL website. Kenhullett (talk) 05:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here's the raw version of the press release - http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=282653&FS=INDYCAR -Drdisque (talk) 05:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Former ChampCar races added to schedule[edit]

Presently there is no confirmation from the IRL that any former ChampCar races have been added to the schedule. There are various reliable sources stating that they will be added. There are reliable sources stating that Long Beach and Motegi will be run concurrently. There are reliable sources stating that Australia will be a non-points race. Based on the strength of these reports I feel that they should be included. It would also be reasonable to put them in a separate "possible races" section. Kenhullett (talk) 20:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The IRL has confirmed that Long Beach and Motegi will be run concurrently and that Surfer's Paradise, Australia will be run as a non-points race. Edmonton has NOT been confirmed yet, however. Bolt Crank (talk) 16:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They've never issued a press release to that effect, nor are the races listed on the schedule on the IRL website. Sounds very unconfirmed to me. Kenhullett (talk) 18:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
They didn't issue such a press release because they made it clear during the unification that they WOULD be making Surfer's Paradise and Long Beach work. The reason Long Beach isn't on the schedule is because its being run as a CHAMP CAR event, not an IRL event. Surfer's Paradise can be likewise explained due to it it being a non-points race. Long Beach was fully confirmed during the unification announcement: http://www.indycar.com/news/story.php?story_id=10581 Surfer's Paradise has also inked a six-year deal with the IRL: http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-surfers-paradise-agreement-reached Dunno why it wasn't put on IRL's website, but Speed Channel's a good enough source for me. Bolt Crank (talk) 21:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, I'm just pointing out that there's no official confirmation. Kenhullett (talk) 22:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Former ChampCar teams[edit]

As far as I know, Conquest is the only team to formally announce their switch, though it's quite possible that I missed a press release somewhere. They, as well as the NHL drivers, are the only former ChampCar drivers added to the list on the IRL website. As with the races, we can add other teams to the list based on the strength of reports by reliable sources. But if someone does want to create a separate table for "possible entries" that would be reasonable. Kenhullett (talk) 20:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pacific Coast, Conquest, N/H/L, and KV Racing have all confirmed their programs. Minardi and Dale Coyne each have enough sponsorship to run one car each unless someone withdraws support at the last second, so its not assuming too much to leave them on the list for now. Bolt Crank (talk) 22:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I agree but there's no official confirmation as yet. Kenhullett (talk) 22:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"IndyCar"[edit]

As discussed in 2007, it should be reiterated for 2008 that the proper vocabulary in which to refer to the series/season is "IndyCar Series." The term "IRL" is no longer an official reference to the series or the teams in general. It is only a reference to the overall sanctioning body. It actually has been the rule since 2003, but has been slow to take effect by many people.

  • The races, cars, teams, should be referred to as "IndyCar races, IndyCar teams, IndyCar drivers," etc. Not "IRL drivers, IRL teams, IRL races," etc.
  • The term "IndyCar" should be one word, with the "I" and the "C" capitalized, as it is shown in all official series paraphernalia.

Doctorindy (talk) 15:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It ought to catch on fairly well, now. I'm quite convinced the only real reason people on both sides usually used IRL instead of IndyCar is because it differentiated between the two series better - some still felt the word "IndyCar" referred to any open-wheeler aside from F1(and in some cases I've encountered people who don't differentiate F1 from IndyCar!). I don't think you need to emphasize the importance of this detail anymore, by the end of the year everyone'll be using IndyCar if they're referring to anything other than the management. Bolt Crank (talk) 15:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On a similar note, it's "Champ Car," not "ChampCar" or "Champcar." Kenhullett (talk) 19:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indy 300 (Non-Points Paying Race) Surfers Paradise street circuit[edit]

The citation given to prove this as being non points paying surely is not credible enough? It surely must come straight from IndyCar?--Amedeo Felix (talk) 18:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Professional newsprint isn't credible enough? Has it been contradicted by official sources? --Falcadore (talk) 21:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Announced on SpeedTV as well: http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/indycar-surfers-paradise-agreement-reached/ Kenhullett (talk) 22:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No a LOCAL paper isn't good enough. certainly not when talking to an international audience as here. It's good to have the extra citation. I'd still like to see IRL list it as a non-championship event or some such. Still good going to get another source to add credence.--Amedeo Felix (talk) 00:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aren't approximately 90% of newspapers 'local' anyway? Do I really need to count the other local papers that are used as references, like Birmingham News, St. Pete Times, Indianapolis Star. The Courier Mail is a 150 year old plus title and Queensland's biggest selling publication, and owned by News Corporation a news gathering service whom you may have heard of. --Falcadore (talk) 21:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Eek! You trying to nauseate me... Seriously though, papers I am used to here in Europe are NATIONAL not local. The Guardian, The Times etc. are NATIONAL papers not local. Also, as I said I think announcements about championship status should be coming from the organiser not just a paper, be it local or national.--Amedeo Felix (talk) 22:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, good thing there's a SpeedTV cite as well. Just replace the current one with it if you think it's better. Kenhullett (talk) 23:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
England is a small country. 'Local' papers in the US and Australia cover much wider areas than the entire British land mass and in US cases would have much higher circulations. What is a better source a national paper in Lichtenstein, or a local paper in New York? Which is more notable? More reputable? I would strongly suggest that the quality of a newspaper and its journalists should not be subject to such a subjective comparison the location of a national border, particularly when you site an example, British papers, which are not remotely relevant to the content, an Australian race in an American series. Any nausea you may feel is additionally irrelevant. --Falcadore (talk) 03:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's cute. England has a larger population than Australia by quite some way...--Amedeo Felix (talk) 17:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't suggest otherwise, the point was the location of borders does not have a bearing on reference quality. --Falcadore (talk) 20:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well... Two points: One size matters, and the "national" papers here I trust in matters such as this (not talking opinion/politics etc.) because of their resources. Two: As I have said before I think we really need most of all direct references from teh organizers of the sport and not just a news source, of any kind. --Amedeo Felix (talk) 23:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Defunct sections[edit]

So much has changed in the past few months, so a little bit of clean up is in order before the season kicks in. The following are being removed for now, but can be placed back into the article if needed Doctorindy (talk) 15:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Frank's Energy Drink will become the official energy drink of the Indy Racing League.[2]
  • The series is expected to announce sponsorship deals with Coca-Cola and Mac Tools.[3]


References

  1. ^ citation
  2. ^ "IRL widens ad base". Indianapolis Business Journal. 2007-10-27. Retrieved 2007-10-31. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference IRL officials hoping was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

2008 IndyCar Series schedule (alternate)[edit]

Here's an alternate, reference-style listing of the schedule. I put it together in order to have a quick reference of the off weeks and continuity of the schedule. It doesn't have a place on the main page, but it may have some use here on the talk page. If in fact they do the unlikely, and add yet another race to the '09 schedule, this can help to show where it would fit in. Doctorindy (talk) 19:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Date Race
March 29 Homestead
April 6 St. Pete
April 12-13
April 19-20 Motegi & Long Beach
April 27 Kansas
May 4 Indy 500 Rookie Orientation
May 10-11 Indy 500 Time Trials
May 17-18 Indy 500 Time Trials
May 25 Indianapolis
June 1 Milwaukee
June 7 Texas
June 14-15
June 22 Iowa
June 28 Richmond
July 6 Watkins Glen
July 12 Nashville
July 20 Mid-Ohio
July 26 Edmonton
August 2-3
August 9 Kentucky
August 16-17
August 24 Sonoma
August 31 Belle Isle
September 7 Chicagoland
September 13-14
September 20-21
September 27-28
October 4-5
October 11-12
October 18-19
October 26 Surfer's Paradise

Indy Japan 300 broadcast[edit]

The IndyCar website still lists a tape-delayed broadcast at 3:00 pm in addition to the live broadcast. I've changed the entry to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.17.192.121 (talk) 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Not all Long Beach participants scored points[edit]

Only those teams who entered other IndyCar events (or are planning to) scored points (the N/H/L, KV, Conquest, HVM, Coyne, and Pacific Coast cars). Montagny and Tagliani despite fine runs did not. I don't agree with it, but the statement that all participants scored points to the ICS championship is incorrect, so I revised it. [User:Arenasnow|Arenasnow]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arenasnow (talk • contribs) 04:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If they show up in races later in the season they will get their LB points, as Mario Dominguez has. -Drdisque (talk) 05:10, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rahal at Homestead[edit]

He was entered in the event at the start of practice, so his crash and failure to run needs to be tagged as either a DNQ, or a Wth. The question of which comes down to whether or not N/H/L officially withdrew his car or not. If not, a DNQ. --Chr.K. (talk) 03:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He did not participate in practice for the event. His crash technically took place during pre-season testing. So it's either a DNP or Wth (since he was on the first entry list). -Drdisque (talk) 03:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Slow Updating[edit]

Why is this page so far behind in race results?--Amedeo Felix (talk) 15:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From what I've seen, usually the updates to this page come pretty fast, but every once-in-a-while, the real world interferes and several editors who usually take the lead on this are not available. You're welcome to help out if you ever see this happening, or you could make a request for an update at Wikipedia:WikiProject American Open Wheel Racing, or do just what you did here and alert editors that an update is needed. Thanks! ZueJay (talk) 23:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If possible, on the subject of the last race...[edit]

We need to determine if what quickly seemed to be the case actually was, that Dixon actually passed Castroneves after the latter's car nose had crossed the line, but before the onboard transponders of either car had, thus creating the the situation of race control originally thinking it Dixon...because IF that happened, it would be the first and only time in history, at the highest level of American open-wheel motorsports. --Chr.K. (talk) 08:45, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article may shed some light on it possibly. Cs-wolves (talk) 16:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Fast lap, most laps led, etc.[edit]

The chart at the top of the page does NOT NEED THESE. "Fastest lap" is not widely advertised in IRL statistics, and has never been an important stat, and no one cares about it (outside perhaps, Indy, but still). Most laps led is already addressed down below with the points chart. Pole positions are also already addressed in the race summaries. The casual reader will see nothing but mass confusion and overkill when they're simply trying to figure out who won what race. Doctorindy (talk) 13:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, take it out. This is just somebody's attempt to euro-ify the article in my opinion. -Drdisque (talk) 03:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If it will stop people endlessly mucking about with it then yes please, please, oh god, please yes. --Falcadore (talk) 07:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I notified directly the two edit combatants of this debate, but they seem content to revert each other and not take part, so shall we consider consensus achieved? --Falcadore (talk) 05:09, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the subject of fastest laps User:Gokul009 keeps reverting edits surrounding two events fastest lap, but when referring to indycar.com - for example here says that User:Gokul009 is actually wrong. So can you actually provide a source, better than the official timing website? --Falcadore (talk) 11:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Points for Tracy and Tagliani[edit]

indycar.com now shows that Tracy and Tagliani did get points for Long Beach race. 62.21.1.106 (talk) 15:16, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorted. Cs-wolves (talk) 20:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dallara model designation[edit]

I've seen one editor regularly tag the Dallara chassis as the IR2, yet when reading the IRL media guide the car is described as an update of the 2003 car which was the last major re-design and since then has had individual updates. According to Dallara's website the last car that had major aero work was the 2005 model, so what is the correct chassis designation, IR3, IR5 or IR8? --Falcadore (talk) 05:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The car was indeed moderately redesigned for the 2005 season. I do not know of the formal chassis designations used by Dallara. -Drdisque (talk) 16:48, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Per several Indycar sources with the most notable being Newman Haas Lanigan Racing via their official website, the current IndyCar chassis is the IR5. The IR5 is fundamentally the same chassis as the IR3 but with minor aerodynamic updates which were solidified for the 2005 IndyCar season. The IR5 has been fabricated by Panoz and Dallara. (User: thebatsignal) 15:09, 10 January, 2009 (UTC)

http://www.newman-haas.com/cars.html

Another professional source indicating the designation as IR5. http://www.samhornish.com/team/index.cfm?cid=2645&subnavkey=carspecs&wide=true User: thebatsignal) 22:41, 19 February, 2009 (UTC)

Errors on the "Team and Driver Chart" [for the 2008 IndyCar Series][edit]

The Phil Giebler American Dreams #88 car that wrecked during a [2008] Indianapolis 500 practice and failed to make a qualifying attempt is listed incorrectly on Wikipedia. It is listed as a "Dallara Honda", but it was actually a Panoz Honda. Specifically, it was a Panoz IR5 Honda.

It is evidenced to be a Panoz by the rounded non-blistered nose and the variation in the air intake among other indicators (see photo via hyperlink from the 2008 Indianapolis 500 Day 3 time trials).

http://www.indy500.com/photos/2008/05/17/774/Day_3_Qualifying/69538/p/2

Thebatsignal (talk) 21:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are correct, it was correct at some point, someone changed, it and nobody caught it. -Drdisque (talk) 23:19, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rookie status of Servià[edit]

Uri doesn't count as a 2008 IndyCar rookie because of having competed at the 2002 Indianapolis 500 (i.e. not qualifing at that race), right? --NaBUru38 (talk) 02:10, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Servia wasn't classed as a rookie as he had plenty of experience in American open-wheel racing, as well as some experience on ovals, having had competed in Champ Car for the previous six years. TheChrisD Rants•Edits 12:26, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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