Talk:1946 Siamese general election

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On 2 December 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to 1946 Thai general election. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Requested move 2 December 2021[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 20:52, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– Siam was first renamed to Thailand in 1939 by the government of Plaek Phibunsongkhram (Phibun). Towards the end of World War II, Phibun was manoeuvred out of office by pro-Allied factions, and the country's official name was changed back to Siam in September 1945, though this was limited to international diplomatic use. Locally the name continued to be Prathet Thai, and the official international name was changed to Thailand again in April 1948. While these elections took place in that window, it would be simpler and less confusing to readers to refer to the country as Thailand from 1939 onwards. I haven't done an in-depth analysis, but the scholarly historical sources I've seen just discuss the elections within the country's larger historical context and don't make any kind of split at the name changes. There was also another election in August 1946, so the article about the January 1946 election should be include the month in its title for specificity. Paul_012 (talk) 17:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 04:21, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the August 1946 election was a general election – These sources suggest it was only by-elections for previously nominated seats, and the by-elections are already mentioned in this article in the aftermath section (hence why the 1946 by-elections link in {{Thai elections}} links here). As a result, I don't think the "January" bit is needed. Cheers, Number 57 18:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmm, you're right. The Thai Wikipedia uses the word for general election, but that might not be accurate. Thai sources (such as the KPI Wiki) tend to use the term for parliamentary election, though, and count the August one as the fifth. Should it still be called a by-election when it involves almost half the seats? --Paul_012 (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I think so – it's effectively just a top-up election like the 1949 Thai by-elections. Cheers, Number 57 19:59, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Okay, adjusted nom accordingly. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support I don't have strong feelings about this, but assumed it would be closed as an unopposed move then it got to seven days. However, as I see it's been relisted, I'll support for the sake of allowing it to be closed. Cheers, Number 5 7 15:08, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, even even though the elections took place "during [a] window", there had not been any elections held at all during the country's first round of being officially named Thailand; so, there is no "Siamese > Thai > Siamese" situation, there's just "Siamese > Siamese > Thai". So there's no real reason to change it, and Siam was the official name during those years, as you said. And even if it weren't, we generally refer to places as they were called at the time, e.g., Constantinople before 1930, Persia instead of Iran during c. the same period being discussed here, etc. That, and the country's governance in 1939 when the name was first changed was strongly nationalistic and antidemocratic and was modelled after Mussolini-esque fascism..so I don't think we should be making page moves that could be seen as being made just to support movements like that. 2600:1702:4960:1DE0:6CAD:7C51:CA86:3A6A (talk) 06:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per 2600:1702:4960:blah, blah, blah.... The current titles are accurate and Wikipedia uses "Siamese" for all of the previous elections, so this seems to be a WP:SLFP. — AjaxSmack 06:41, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Thailand has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 20:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.