Talk:.25 ACP
| This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the .25 ACP article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
| Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
 | This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Photo[edit]
It's inappropriate for the article itself, but this page [1] (warning: bloody) has a photograph and CT scan of a man who was shot in the head with a .25 ACP bullet. The bullet failed to penetrate, but because of the spalling effect, the victim suffered brain damage. See also the article on HESH tank ammunition, which was purpose-designed to create spalling. -Ashley Pomeroy 22:02, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Could we get a pic of .25 ACP next to a .22 LR and a penny or a quarter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Faceless Enemy (talk • contribs) 22:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
WPMILHIST[edit]
The WPMILHIST tag has been removed from this article due to this item not being military related.--Oldwildbill 12:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I put the tag back,I have litte doubt that a military used or uses this round. Dudtz 11/7/06 7:12 PM ET
Humor[edit]
It doesn't belong in the article, but I can't resist pointing out that the late Col. Jeff Cooper said that you should never shoot anyone with a .25 ACP. He might become angry, and resort to violence.
Tex (talk) 02:56, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Ugh[edit]
"These inexpensive pistols have been the target of much legislation."
Isn't there a wiki guideline about discouraging the use of puns or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.45.84 (talk) 04:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
general response[edit]
Military history: .25 ACP personal sidearms were often liberated from German personnel by US GIs as war trophies; they were not standard issue perhaps, but they were a common choice for last ditch personal protection and were obviously found on the battlefield in significant numbers.
Cooper advocated armed defense against armed opponents; the rules for a gun fight include use enough gun to stop an armed opponent. A european writer pointed out in a discussion on the subject that .25 ACP has killed more attempted murderers, rapists and armed robbers than have been executed by the state. I personally know more incidents of threatening individuals who have been scared off by the threat of being shot with a .25 ACP than of actual shootings with the gun.
A quick search on phrase "target of legislation" finds the phrase used in reference to motorcars, political robocalls (telephone spam), ice arena air quality, residential children's programs, a Brooklyn church, litterbugs, bad drivers, pit bulls, immigrants, rural poor, high schools, diet supplements, etc, etc, &c. There is no reason to object to guns or ammunition being the "target of legislation" on linguistic grounds or Wikipedia Policy on Word Play (in fact no WP:PUNS as of 1 Jun 2010). Naaman Brown (talk) 09:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
General Editing and Relevance Issues[edit]
This article has issues, especially under the "Performance" section. This section should be called "Usage" or something similar. Furthermore, there are no specific laws regarding so-called "Saturday Night Specials". The price point statement is simply wrong. A quick look at completed sales at Gunbroker.com or in Blue Book of Gun Values will attest to this. Lastly, actual performance is only discussed marginally.
For these reasons, I will delete most of the 1st and 2nd paragraph of this section, and revise the third. I will wait for a couple days in order for someone to make comments. Lmt 7816 (talk) 20:57, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Dead link[edit]
During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!