Talk:Špegelj Tapes

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Tapes and Translations[edit]

This whole article is a total nonsense, all of it fabrication and lies. Few factual events are intertwined with web of lies and innuendos. I'll delete all the nonsense in this article and when I have time I'll post accurate information with web links and accurate sources.

BTW, I had a chance to hear whole tape, it does not mentions Albanians even once, Also on tape Minister Boljkovac is not present, Martin Spegalj at the time had no ministerial portfolio. Martin Spgalj was asked to be Minister of Defense after Croatia declared Independence in June of the same year.

Minister Boljkovac as a matter of fact was not involved in this affair, he had nothing to do with it, Spegalj is talking to his (he thought his best friends) who were Senior JNA officers at the time, both are Croats.

BTW on the tape Spegalj is saying, that in whole 5th Army Region JNA had 9000 Officers, 18 000 solders and there are 80 000 well armed Croatians, he is explaining how it would be easy for Croats to take JNA in Croatia with the help of Slovens in Slovenia, and that in matter of few weeks JNA would cease to exist in Croatia (also implying the same for Slovenia), how if they all organize well could gain (win) independence for Croatia and how JNA/Serbs wouldn't have it easy if both Slovenia and Croatia agree to combine there efforts as JNA can't fight on two fronts.

He mentioned how he already had contacts in Hungary, Germany, Austria and Czech Republic who are willing to help with the arms supplies and how all can be done swift and without JNA's knowledge. After all, his argument are, JNA is not going to arm Croatian police, so they (Croatian patriots) have to.

Basically whole tape is about 30min long. Mic of orion (talk) 13:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One correction: Boljkovac's recorded voice does appear in the film, if only for a couple of sentences. GregorB (talk) 18:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Undue weight[edit]

This incident, as described, was a one-time propaganda event. There is little in the article in the way of asserting notability - there might be notability in how the event actually affected the political situation, but nothing is really said about that. Did JNA try to apprehend Špegelj? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:03, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As it happens, the ICTY mention of the tapes was Branko Kostić as Slobodan Milošević's witness. Well, suffice it to say that that is not really a reliable secondary source. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]