Talk:Étienne Perier (governor)/Archive 5

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No consensus on refusal to include Dunbar Nelson quote in Slavery policy section

Hi Carter, we do not have a consensus on this section and I totally disagree with your arguments to refute the relevance of Alice Moore Dunbar Nelson quote in this section, but as I am tired of arguing for nothing, I stop this pointless discussion on this point. Regards --Belyny (talk) 15:48, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Noted. (Full conversation now in Talk:Étienne Perier (governor)/Archive 3#Dunbar Nelson quote.) —Carter (talk) 15:53, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

B class review

B class. Nice work. If I had to write the introduction, I would be a harsher critic of his policy toward native Americans, without fear of violating a neutral tone (POV). There is one thing that I noticed in the citations that I don't like to see. Please do not cite every sentence if they are from the same source. An example is below. Please fix. Thanks.

NO: Sentence 1. [citation1] Sentence 2. [citation1] Sentence 3. [citation1]
YES: Sentence 1. Sentence 2. Sentence 3. [citation1]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Djmaschek (talk • contribs) 17:11, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Djmaschek. While I'm mostly pleased with the final article, it was very much written by committee though a pretty painful process. I've gone ahead and consolidated the sourcing as you suggested (I found four or five instances); if I missed any please let me know. Thanks for fixing the errors you encountered along the way, too. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 23:12, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar. Djmaschek (talk) 02:34, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 23:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

I'll be happy to review this! — Ghost River 23:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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Infobox and lede

Citation needed for Perier the Elder, since it is not mentioned in the body Done

Early life

The note on spellings of his surname should probably be in the lede, per MOS:MULTIPLENAMES Done
Comma after "the family moved to Dunkirk" Done
The link to frwiki on his father should be when the father's proper name is given, as opposed to where it currently is Done
For chronological flow, this should be one paragraph, with the information in the second paragraph slotted between the sentences starting "By 1961" and "Much later" Done

Combined grafs and moved the sentence about ennoblement to the Governor of French Louisiana section, which is its proper chronological place. (During the consensus seeking on the rewrite, the ennoblement sentence was there as part of trying to explain the name (Perier vs. de Perier) that ended up moving to the footnote.)

In the French navy

Commas after "in a fleet of coursairs" and after "until August 1704" Done
"but he was later released" Done
Do we know what happened after that second capture?

Unfortunately not. The English-language sources tend to start with his time as governor and the French-language ones cover his military service at this time mostly as bullet points.

First two paragraphs can likely be combined Done

In service of the Compagnies

No commas needed around "Antoine-Alexis" Done
Unclear why Compagnies is italicized in the head but not in the body

It was part of the seeking consensus on how to name the section and the oddity that some of the Wikipedia articles for these French chartered companies use the French name and others translate the name into English. (A review and improvement of all these articles would be a pretty good project for someone.) Basically, in this case it's using the French word (thus italicized) in a semi-generic-but-still-capitalized way in the head to indicate Perier was attached to more than one chartered company. In the text, however, the actual company name (in French or English, depending on what's used in the linked article) is preserved (and thus not italicized). I'll go ahead and remove the italics in the head, but see if you think they should be restored based on the explanation.

Governor of French Louisiana

Extra space between end of sentence "from entering the territory" and the citation Done

Slavery policies

and oversaw the importation of more captured Africans to Louisiana when it controlled the colony than at any other point in the 18th century. Slightly confusing phrasing; are you saying that this point is when the Company saw the highest levels of slave transit, or that the highest overall levels of transit occurred during this time period?

The latter. The original source text reads "The company period also saw the arrival of more transatlantic slave ships than at any other time in the eighteenth century. In the 1720s, more than 5,600 African captives boarded company-owned slavers bound for Louisiana." Broke it into two sentences (deleting the "and") and replaced the second half with During the time it controlled the colony, more captured Africans were imported to Louisiana than at any other point in the 18th century. Clearer?

"He was concerned particularly" → "He was concerned in particular" Done
I think this is the first time "Black" is used over "African" in the second paragraph

Standardized as "African"

Native American relations

While Perier worked to maintain positive relations with France's Choctaw and Quapaw allies. Sentence fragment.

Combined with the following sentence. While Perier worked to maintain positive relations with France's Choctaw and Quapaw allies, in other instances he sought to dominate tribes unwilling to align with France's colonial ambitions.

"Perier, alongside his counterpart" (helps to clarify that the Marquis was his Canadian counterpart) Done
Last sentence of the section requires a citation Done

Personal ambition on Natchez land

Comma after "throwing Dumont de Montigny" Done
""acts of injustice."" → ""acts of injustice"." per [{MOS:LQ]] Done
"an important cultural and religious site for the ~~Natchez~~ tribe" Done

Natchez revolt and retaliation

"freedom for them too" → "freedom for them as well" Done
Comma after "until January 1731" Done
Comma after "shipped to Saint-Domingue" Done

Aftermath and recall

More slim paragraphs; the second and the third can likely be combined as they both fall under his post-revolt activities, while the last sentence can be placed in the paragraph before it

I'd push back on this one. They are different enough, unrelated events that combining them doesn't seem logical to me.

Return to the navy

"was back at sea" → "returned to sea" Done

Personal life

Good

References

Very nice!

General comments

Photos are relevant and properly licensed
No stability concerns within the revision history
Copyvio score looks good at 11.5%

All quick stuff, just some minor prose things and a couple citations needed. Putting on hold for now, and feel free to ping me with questions. — Ghost River 23:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, GhostRiver. I think I've covered all the items listed above. If there are any additional comments or concerns, or if I missed something, please let me know. —Carter (Tcr25) (talk) 01:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for making these edits, as well as for your explanations regarding some of the quirks I noted above. Happy to pass! — Ghost River 14:45, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I am writing a book on Etienne de Perier which will be published in a few years.

I found his birth certificate after long research: he was born on 27 February 1686 in Brest and not in 1687 in Le Havre as everyone has been saying for a long time. See for yourself: https://archives.mairie-brest.fr/4DCGI/Web_RegistreArtGG305/ILUMP30831 (page 11) Moreover, why was Etienne Perier chosen instead of Etienne de Perier? On what arguments do you base this choice? Thank you in advance for your answer. I suggest modifying the introduction as follows: Étienne Perier (1687 - 1766), or Étienne de Perier, also known as Perier the Elder (French: Perier l'Aîné). Loris565 (talk) 12:51, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

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