Talk:List of F5 and EF5 tornadoes
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I am wanting to formally proposal that we do a WP:TNT on the entire possible F5/EF5/IF5 tornado list. We then hold discussions about setting community-consensus criteria about what to include or exclude from the list, similar to how we set criteria on WP:TornadoCriteria. Then we rebuild the list based on community consensus. That will easily stop debates about what to include or exclude on the list. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- No need. This article has already been redone over and over. No need to take drastic measures because other editors disagreed with an addition that was made. United States Man (talk) 02:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seconding what USM says. Honestly there will always be debates on this, regardless of which tornadoes we include or exclude. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why do you think this has anything to do with editors disagreeing with me? Focusing on me over the content? I proposed setting formal community criteria for the list. Since you say that is "drastic measures", are you saying no community consensus is better than a community consensus for the criteria, which currently does not exist? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- This was a straight proposal about setting formal criteria. Opposing this means you think there is no need to have criteria on the page. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:59, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that we had formal criteria, being a reliable source based on verifiable expertise explicitly stating that a tornado was or may have been F5/EF5. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TornadoLGS: Correct. United States Man (talk) 03:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. Then 2021 Western Kentucky tornado, which was added by community consensus would need to be removed as "EF5" was never stated. Please remove 1957 Dallas, 1973 Union City, 1973 Central Alabama tornado, 1999 Mulhall, 2013 Bennington, 2016 Sulphur, and 2016 Dodge City, as neither of those tornadoes had "F5" or "EF5" quoted, and were all either estimations of 200+ mph intensity or radar measurements over 200+ mph. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- No opposition from me if reliable sources don't exist. United States Man (talk) 03:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose removal of all *except* 2021 Western Kentucky tornado, as a 2-3 editor discussion here shouldn't override the formal (and uninvolved closed) discussion which added it back in 2022. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Some of the entries have reliable sources stating they are possible F5/EF5. Many entries here are included based only on mentioned wind speeds that happen to coincide with F5/EF5 speeds without a clear link being established. Those should be removed. United States Man (talk) 03:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed I have opposed such inclusions previously. I think entries that don't belong do sneak on here occasionally and it has to be pruned. I did an overhaul of this article back in 2020. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. The Minden/Harlan tornado is included based solely on tweets about radar-estimated instantaneous wind speeds and should also be removed. Penitentes (talk) 13:09, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Wasn't the 2021 Kentucky tornado initially rated a low-end EF5? That should stay, even though it was later downgraded. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 12:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It was not ever rated EF5, preliminarily or otherwise. Penitentes (talk) 13:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, that's my bad. I thought the EF5 rating was brought into play. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 13:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It was widely speculated, for sure, I can see how the memory worms in! About two-and-a-half years ago now. Penitentes (talk) 13:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- We've had so many similiar tornadoes in the 3 years since eg. (Rolling Fork, Tri-State, now Greenfield) that it's so hard to keep track of what is preliminarily assigned what. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 14:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It was widely speculated, for sure, I can see how the memory worms in! About two-and-a-half years ago now. Penitentes (talk) 13:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, that's my bad. I thought the EF5 rating was brought into play. MemeGod ._. (My talk page, my contributions and my creations!) 13:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- It was not ever rated EF5, preliminarily or otherwise. Penitentes (talk) 13:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
- Some of the entries have reliable sources stating they are possible F5/EF5. Many entries here are included based only on mentioned wind speeds that happen to coincide with F5/EF5 speeds without a clear link being established. Those should be removed. United States Man (talk) 03:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose removal of all *except* 2021 Western Kentucky tornado, as a 2-3 editor discussion here shouldn't override the formal (and uninvolved closed) discussion which added it back in 2022. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- No opposition from me if reliable sources don't exist. United States Man (talk) 03:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. Then 2021 Western Kentucky tornado, which was added by community consensus would need to be removed as "EF5" was never stated. Please remove 1957 Dallas, 1973 Union City, 1973 Central Alabama tornado, 1999 Mulhall, 2013 Bennington, 2016 Sulphur, and 2016 Dodge City, as neither of those tornadoes had "F5" or "EF5" quoted, and were all either estimations of 200+ mph intensity or radar measurements over 200+ mph. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- @TornadoLGS: Correct. United States Man (talk) 03:02, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that we had formal criteria, being a reliable source based on verifiable expertise explicitly stating that a tornado was or may have been F5/EF5. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
May 2024 — Possible F5/EF5/IF5 List Tornado Statuses[edit]
Below is a detailed list of tornadoes which are on the list or have been discussed for the list and what the current consensus (by discussion, silent, or unchallenged BRD) is as of this message on May 23, 2024. This list did involve me going back through the talk page discussion archives.
Tornado | Consensus |
---|---|
1666 Lincolnshire | Include |
1927 Neede | Exclude |
1931 Lublin | Include |
1946 Windsor | Include |
1951 Olney | Include |
1951 Waupaca | Include |
1952 Byhalia-Moscow | Include |
1952 Linwood | Include |
1953 Worcester | Include |
1953 Cygnet | Include |
1954 Crowell | Include |
1955 Walcott | Include |
1957 Dallas | Include |
1957 Fremont | Include |
1957 Pavia | Include |
1958 El Dorado | Include |
1960 Wamego-St. Marys | Include |
1961 Custer County | Include |
1963 Patricia | Include |
1964 Lawrence | Include |
1965 Dunlap | Include |
1965 Lebanon-Sheridan | Include |
1965 Strongsville | Include |
1965 Wolbach-Primrose | Include |
1968 Falmouth-Ripley | Include |
1969 Chuhegang | Include |
1970 Bulahdelah | Exclude |
1971 Gosser Ridge | Include |
1973 Union City | Include |
1973 Central Alabama | Include |
1979 Cheyenne | Exclude |
1974 Franklin County | Include |
1983 Belle Pointe | Exclude |
1984 Ivanovo | Include |
1984 Kostroma | Include |
1985 Parker Dam State Park | Include |
1987 Edmonton | Include |
1989 Allendale | Include |
1990 Stratton | Exclude |
1991 Red Rock | Include |
1991 Arkansas City | Include |
1992 Bucca | Include |
1995 Pampa | Include |
1995 Hoover | Exclude |
1995 McLean | Include |
1995 Allison | Include |
1998 Spencer | Include |
1998 Wayne County | Include |
1999 Mulhall | Include |
1999 Loyal Valley | Include |
2002 La Plata | Include |
2003 Franklin | Exclude |
2004 Harper | Include |
2004 Marion | Include |
2006 Westminster | Exclude |
2008 Clinton-Mountain View | Exclude |
2010 Bowdle | Exclude |
2010 Wilkins County | Exclude |
2011 New Wren | Include |
2011 Tuscaloosa | Include |
2011 Cullman | Exclude |
2011 Cordova | Exclude |
2011 Flat Rock-Trenton | Exclude |
2011 Chickasha | Include |
2011 Goldsby | Include |
2012 Henryville | Include |
2012 Cherokee | Exclude |
2013 Shawnee | Exclude |
2013 Bennington | Include |
2013 El Reno | Include |
2013 East Peoria–Washington | Exclude |
2014 Vilonia | Include |
2014 Pilger | Exclude |
2015 Rochelle | Exclude |
2015 Ashland | Exclude |
2016 Sulphur | Include |
2016 Dodge City | Include |
2016 Chapman | Include |
2016 Ensign | Exclude |
2016 Friend | Exclude |
2016 Jiangsu | Exclude |
2017 Maloye Pes'yanovo | Include |
2018 Alonsa | Include |
2019 Nepal | Include |
2019 Greenwood Springs | Include |
2020 Bassfield | Exclude |
2020 Sandy Hook-Purvis | Exclude |
2021 South Moravia | Exclude |
2021 Western Kentucky | Include |
2022 Andover | Exclude |
2023 Rolling Fork | Exclude |
2024 Harlan | Exclude |
2024 Hollister | Exclude |
2024 Greenfield | Exclude |
The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
- Don't know where else to add this, but I found this recent email response someone got from NWS Paducah about nearly rating the Perryville, MO tornado (2/28/2017) an EF-5. Don't know if a more reliable source is required, or if this counts, but I'll send it anyways since it may be noteworthy. https://twitter.com/LimWeather/status/1793993961545355550 67.69.165.178 (talk) 14:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)